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Old 07-08-2009, 11:04 AM   #41
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:06 AM   #42
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I'm not picking on you Scott...I just see too many people immediately want to blame suspension and geometry for their problems. 40 track days into this I am just now adjusting those things with patrick. I have always looked at myself and what I could be doing wrong, first. I think that is a good way of progressing. But if you want to hear something different, then by all means, ask a lot of people. Eventually you might hear what you want to hear.

I'm not picking on you. I know you may think so...but I am not.
I agree with you on that Cdill. I am gonna have my suspension set up for my wieght (guess with my fat I should have some steel braces welded on!!!), but other than that, I am not going to outride anything on a stock gixxer anytime soon. Unless you are one of the monsters in advanced or a racer or something, most of the stock stuff that comes on the bike will hold you for the first few seasons as long as it is adjusted right
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:20 AM   #43
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I'm not picking on you Scott...I just see too many people immediately want to blame suspension and geometry for their problems. 40 track days into this I am just now adjusting those things with patrick. I have always looked at myself and what I could be doing wrong, first. I think that is a good way of progressing. But if you want to hear something different, then by all means, ask a lot of people. Eventually you might hear what you want to hear.

I'm not picking on you. I know you may think so...but I am not.
Dude, I could care less about you "picking" on me. This isn't grade school.

I didn't bring up my geometry or suspension, Tony did. And because I value his opinion I asked him to explain his statement a little more.


I'm not even sure why I am even trying to explain myself to you....again. Apparently I haven't learn from the last 50 times, you try to make it known you are a suburb rider, and I am just a wee little youngin' that thinks he's the .


I got it.


Care to explain your steps of trail braking?
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:49 AM   #44
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Dude, I could care less about you "picking" on me. This isn't grade school.

I didn't bring up my geometry or suspension, Tony did. And because I value his opinion I asked him to explain his statement a little more.


I'm not even sure why I am even trying to explain myself to you....again. Apparently I haven't learn from the last 50 times, you try to make it known you are a suburb rider, and I am just a wee little youngin' that thinks he's the .


I got it.


Care to explain your steps of trail braking?
Yea...I'm a superb rider. that's why I make threads asking the opinions of people. Cuz I know it all.

Yall can close this gay thread up now. Its been whored to by MH's top poster. In the racers lounge no less.
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I think running wide on the brakes is pretty normal. If I understand the physics right, additional braking will ALWAYS make the bike attempt to stand up due to the change in centrifugal forces.
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I think running wide on the brakes is pretty normal. If I understand the physics right, additional braking will ALWAYS make the bike attempt to stand up due to the change in centrifugal forces.
Or will it change geometry to a more aggressive quicker turning bike?
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Trail braking-well braking for a corner, first your body position should be set then the brakes applied to set corner speed, the reason for staying on the brakes may be two-fold here. One, it helps the front dive in and turn, and one A, you never want to coast (easier said than done) so either brakes or gas. Two, you can not just release the brake when leaned over - it will upset the suspension and that will cause a crash or you to run wide. SO therefore because your on the brakes entering the turn you need to trail off. Ok, maybe 1, 1A and two are all one in the same. Depending on when you are getting on the gas this could vary between rider and skill like many other factors involved. Just some of the basics as I have been taught. Let's see if I pass the test!

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I think running wide on the gasis pretty normal. If I understand the physics right, additional braking will ALWAYS make the bike attempt to stand up due to the change in centrifugal forces.
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I think! HUH? Run wide on the brakes? uh-oh I got issues then b/c my bike does not stand up or run wide when I am on the brakes.
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Ok fast guys...

I have been getting pretty good at braking. When I am heading into a tight, say 2nd gear corner I can brake pretty late, hard and deep...to the apex..and now I am working on getting on the gas sooner and harder. Looking for about 5 seconds at just about every track I go to.

My question is..when you guys are heading into a corner..a sweeping corner...from a straight..and you are say in 5th at the end of that straight and need to go to 3rd....are you braking deep into that fast sweeper just like as if you were entering a tight corner?

Are you more careful trail braking when the speeds are higher?


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that statement sounds like a highside waitin to happen. try sooner & smoother. wackin it on the exit will get u hurt.
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that statement sounds like a highside waitin to happen. try sooner & smoother. wackin it on the exit will get u hurt.
that actually sounded like you were being informative jody!......must be some goooood mellow in the air.
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that actually sounded like you were being informative jody!......must be some goooood mellow in the air.
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Try hanging your left leg off just before tip in. Must add at least 3 seconds per lap cuz Rossi is doing it.

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Try hanging your left leg off just before tip in. Must add at least 3 seconds per lap cuz Rossi is doing it.

DAMMIT JOE! Dont give people the secret braking technique!
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I think! HUH? Run wide on the brakes? uh-oh I got issues then b/c my bike does not stand up or run wide when I am on the brakes.
I had this argument with a bunch of okie racers a year or so ago, and no one could come to a sound scientific conclusion.

A bike on the brakes or gas will, at the least, resist turning in more.
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I had this argument with a bunch of okie racers a year or so ago, and no one could come to a sound scientific conclusion.

A bike on the brakes or gas will, at the least, resist turning in more.
T. Howard states otherwise in numerous of his videos/coaching on the Ride Smart youtube account.






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