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Old 07-08-2009, 09:09 AM   #21
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If yall think Tony and Gabe are saying they don't trail brake, yall are mistaken.

They are talkin about braking late and hard versus focusing on getting on the gas sooner. Unless my comprehension skills are failing me.

And Scott..if you are running wide its probably more about your corner entry speed (for now) and lines than it is trail braking. I agree about working on other things first.
I would pick a turn, note my turn in point, my entry speed...all consistent.

Then after I had the basics down, I would try to maintain my <10% braking, slowly releasing to the apex, while maintaining enough throttle to carry my entry speed. Every time it felt like I was fighting to keep the bike leaned over, and always fell off my line.


I know my line is far from perfect, but it's consistent. And that's when I would try to 'trail brake.'
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And you were on the gas AND the brakes...at the same time? Why?
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And you were on the gas AND the brakes...at the same time? Why?
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I would pick a turn, note my turn in point, my entry speed...all consistent.

Then after I had the basics down, I would try to maintain my <10% braking, slowly releasing to the apex, while maintaining enough throttle to carry my entry speed. Every time it felt like I was fighting to keep the bike leaned over, and always fell off my line.


I know my line is far from perfect, but it's consistent. And that's when I would try to 'trail brake.'
u may have suspension or geometry issues. just a thought.
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u may have suspension or geometry issues. just a thought.
Whats up toni...


You mean... not set right?... or there is a fork/rim/full blown problem?
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Maybe I'll try the other bike next time.
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I told him to get it set-up but does he do it........................NO
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that bish is set up for my weight at Motorcycles Unlimited

But it was set up for how I ride the street, not track :(
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If yall think Tony and Gabe are saying they don't trail brake, yall are mistaken.

They are talkin about braking late and hard versus focusing on getting on the gas sooner. Unless my comprehension skills are failing me.

And Scott..if you are running wide its probably more about your corner entry speed (for now) and lines than it is trail braking. I agree about working on other things first.
I think Ive been misunderstood.
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Very little, more engine braking than actual brakes. It reminds me of the sweeper at MSRH right before the diamonds edge, of course it tightens up alot more.
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Its ok. This thread isn't even on topic anymore. We are talking about how it is the bikes fault that we run wide and blow corners, at the novice level.
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Its only called trail braking if your in the dirt.
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hahah I was just going to post the same.

To make up time, gabe is saying keep the same brake point, just don't brake as hard.

That's what I got from it.
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Its ok. This thread isn't even on topic anymore. We are talking about how it is the bikes fault that we run wide and blow corners, at the novice level.
slow down there grumpy.

What I was asking is, I don't run wide going through a turn 100 times. But as soon as I trail brake I go wide. Just trying to solve my problem. I thought that's what the thread was about. But, I'll let you get back to whatever you think its about. I just have to try to catch tony, gabe, or an instructor.

Thanks fellas, good topic.
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if your running wide maybe your not maintaining throttle position as well as you thought you were..
That may be it. I'll be sure to talk with my instructors and get some more practice next time I go out.
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I'm not picking on you Scott...I just see too many people immediately want to blame suspension and geometry for their problems. 40 track days into this I am just now adjusting those things with patrick. I have always looked at myself and what I could be doing wrong, first. I think that is a good way of progressing. But if you want to hear something different, then by all means, ask a lot of people. Eventually you might hear what you want to hear.

I'm not picking on you. I know you may think so...but I am not.
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Look for places on the track where you are coasting or not FULL on the gas. You will find five or more seconds in there. NEVER try to make time on the brakes, think about that a second and it should be obvious why......When you hit the AMA, maybe a .003 here and there but not a good strategy.
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