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Old 07-07-2009, 07:02 PM   #1
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Question Question about trail braking...

Ok fast guys...

I have been getting pretty good at braking. When I am heading into a tight, say 2nd gear corner I can brake pretty late, hard and deep...to the apex..and now I am working on getting on the gas sooner and harder. Looking for about 5 seconds at just about every track I go to.

My question is..when you guys are heading into a corner..a sweeping corner...from a straight..and you are say in 5th at the end of that straight and need to go to 3rd....are you braking deep into that fast sweeper just like as if you were entering a tight corner?

Are you more careful trail braking when the speeds are higher?


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It's called trailbraking and only Ben Spies can do it.
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to me personally.....

find a way to get on the gas sooner, you'll see bigger differences in lap times that way.

as for trail braking....like you i'm no pro.....but if i'm trying to gain time, i don't brake later, i just don't brake as hard. (got that tip from Gabe) that way you are still comfortable and not get into panic mode.
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to me personally.....

find a way to get on the gas sooner, you'll see bigger differences in lap times that way.

as for trail braking....like you i'm no pro.....but if i'm trying to gain time, i don't brake later, i just don't brake as hard. (got that tip from Gabe) that way you are still comfortable and not get into panic mode.

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ok...I mentioned in my original post that I am working on getting on the gas sooner that I feel like my braking points are ok...for now. I pass a shitload of people on the brakes and experts and top novices pass me on the brakes. So..I know that I am not waiting too late to brake.

I was talking to Brandon and Patrick and we spoke alot about not braking so hard...carrying more corner speed and getting on the gas sooner is often better and generates quicker laps than late braking. I understand that.

Tony or anyone else that has ran Cresson CW...after the front straight..the right hand sweeper (richochet I think) are you trail braking through there at all?
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I'll give ya this, Dill... you're truely a student of the game.

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I'm not fast, but my understanding is that you want to be fast OUT of fast corners. Therefore, if you have to sacrifice a little entry speed (like, maybe because you broke sooner instead of trail braking) to be able to get on the gas sooner, do that.
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The reason they pass you isn't because they're waiting longer to "out brake" you, most of those folks are doing that because they know their corner entry speed and how much and when they have to brake, it just happens to be in a spot that's later than you and earlier than you on the gas. Most of it is repetition, the rest of it is trial and error. It also goes back to a certain line and reference points too.

I'm in the same boat as you Brandt, the fast guys get by me in the corners but aren't carrying more corner speed (I see it in my videos all the time), they're passing me narrowly coming in to the turn with slightly less brake and getting on the gas much earlier.

Now trail braking is another thing- that's (for me) used in mid-corner corrections or to set up passes.
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Tony, Im glad you got something from my suggestion. BUT you cant use it to beat up on our girl. Feel free too use it during the endurance and sprints that shes not in
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Tony, Im glad you got something from my suggestion. BUT you cant use it to beat up on our girl. Feel free too use it during the endurance and sprints that shes not in
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I'm glad you told him, and I'm glad he mentioned it here. I've never thought of that, but it makes perfect sense.
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I'm glad you told him, and I'm glad he mentioned it here. I've never thought of that, but it makes perfect sense.
So what are you going to do with that information David? Carry more speed in to the corner?
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screw using the brakes............talk to Clayton about going 16 teeth up in the rear. Leave the bike in 6th gear, a little engine braking for corner entry, then ring its neck!!!!

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I go wide when I trail brake....

Still can't get it right. Probably should be the last thing, I should be working on.

Think I'm going to try gabe's idea that tony mentioned.
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If yall think Tony and Gabe are saying they don't trail brake, yall are mistaken.

They are talkin about braking late and hard versus focusing on getting on the gas sooner. Unless my comprehension skills are failing me.

And Scott..if you are running wide its probably more about your corner entry speed (for now) and lines than it is trail braking. I agree about working on other things first.

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Tony or anyone else that has ran Cresson CW...after the front straight..the right hand sweeper (richochet I think) are you trail braking through there at all?
Very little, more engine braking than actual brakes. It reminds me of the sweeper at MSRH right before the diamonds edge, of course it tightens up alot more.
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The reason they pass you isn't because they're waiting longer to "out brake" you, most of those folks are doing that because they know their corner entry speed and how much and when they have to brake, it just happens to be in a spot that's later than you and earlier than you on the gas. Most of it is repetition, the rest of it is trial and error. It also goes back to a certain line and reference points too.

I'm in the same boat as you Brandt, the fast guys get by me in the corners but aren't carrying more corner speed (I see it in my videos all the time), they're passing me narrowly coming in to the turn with slightly less brake and getting on the gas much earlier.

Now trail braking is another thing- that's (for me) used in mid-corner corrections or to set up passes.
And by trail braking, you don't just release the brakes, you slowly let the pressure off. This prevents the front end from springing up and upsetting the bike.
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