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Old 07-03-2009, 10:44 PM   #21
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Naver seen you ride but maybe your just grabbing a handful to start with try braking a little bit sooner and gradually applying brake. What are you feeling on corner entry? You can deff. feel when you bottom out, feels like the bike is about to fall apart when it hits the bottom of the forks.
The entry doesn't feel bad, it just what I have come to expect afterwards. Even with an entry that I feel comfortable with, when I am in the turn, the back and the front of the bike is bobbing up and down. Nearly all of the suspension adjustments are set to full stiff, as suggested by Sport Rider, which I assumed would get me in the ball park. I seems like the suspension should be more stiff to compensate, but it will not get any stiffer (no bs puns intended).
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I haven't ridden your bike, but all settings at or near full stiff is NOT the typical set up.
Go talk to Patrick, he will steer you right. His guys have set up a ton of bikes, the shop sponsors a race team.
If your suspension is inadequate, for your needs, they will let you know. They will I'm sure give you feedback on what needs to be done.
If they say it is good to go, you should do fine.
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Theres a few pics before I put in stiffer springs, you can see im all over the bottom of the suspension. Just do a few TD's and get some feed back from there.
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Old 07-03-2009, 10:49 PM   #24
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Naver seen you ride but maybe your just grabbing a handful to start with try braking a little bit sooner and gradually applying brake. What are you feeling on corner entry? You can deff. feel when you bottom out, feels like the bike is about to fall apart when it hits the bottom of the forks.
I don't think that it is bottoming out. The best way I could describe it is like being on a boat. Up and down. Wavy.
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I don't think that it is bottoming out. The best way I could describe it is like being on a boat. Up and down. Wavy.
That sounds more like a damping issue than a soft spring issue.
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Is your suspension fully adjustable, front and rear?
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How many miles are on the bike? tire pressure? Etc...

As recommended go visit patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited and talk to him. Btw sport rider magazine is full of crappy info. Stop reading that garbage.
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That sounds more like a damping issue than a soft spring issue.
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The entry doesn't feel bad, it just what I have come to expect afterwards. Even with an entry that I feel comfortable with, when I am in the turn, the back and the front of the bike is bobbing up and down. Nearly all of the suspension adjustments are set to full stiff, as suggested by Sport Rider, which I assumed would get me in the ball park. I seems like the suspension should be more stiff to compensate, but it will not get any stiffer (no bs puns intended).
No BS intended but the bobbing could come fron you modulating the front brake instead of one pull to brake and one release. It could also be too stiff some where. Too much rebound in the front or too much in the rear sould cause it to feel like this also. Ive been fighting suspension the past year since ive finally got to a comfortable pace (1:45 @ MSRH is not pushing it for me)
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This whole idea that suspension must be stiff is odd to me. Suspension should be supple.
You tire need to move freely to follow the contours of the track/road surface. The the damping (rebound and compression) help to control how fast and how far the tire moves.
The springs are there to support the bike/rider weight and to push the tires back down.


I know this is oversimplified but I'm not trying to write a suspension book.
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Suspension become an art, seconds can be found with a few turns of the knobs. Get it set up and ride to have fun IMO
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dudeeee.....when you add too much spring (stiffer preload) you are CREATING the see-saw effect. when near maxed out, you now have a springy bike which is probably giving you the bobbing feeling.

you ask a lot of questions hoping to get the wrong answers. most of us have either experienced what you are trying to understand, or have heard the answers.....you already have the answer which has been explained MULTIPLE times.

if you think your suspension is bad.....try riding a stock SV650 that a lot of guys are still running on the track with....no rebound or compression adjuster in the forks, and a primative shock at best.

DO YOURSELF A HUGE FAVOR.....like many have said, take your bike to a PROFESSIONAL suspension guy for $25 and they'll adjust your stock stuff to work best for you. Motorcycles Unlimited does all the suspension work on my race bikes....they work so well that it's got me race winning results. they know what they are doing, and they'll give it to you straight.

so in short...

$25 PROFESSIONAL suspension setup. DO NOT ever follow anybody else's numbers, they usually don't always work for everybody else.

go do a trackday with what you got. skills/talent first....parts later.
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dudeeee.....when you add too much spring (stiffer preload) you are CREATING the see-saw effect. when near maxed out, you now have a springy bike which is probably giving you the bobbing feeling.

you ask a lot of questions hoping to get the wrong answers. most of us have either experienced what you are trying to understand, or have heard the answers.....you already have the answer which has been explained MULTIPLE times.

if you think your suspension is bad.....try riding a stock SV650 that a lot of guys are still running on the track with....no rebound or compression adjuster in the forks, and a primative shock at best.

DO YOURSELF A HUGE FAVOR.....like many have said, take your bike to a PROFESSIONAL suspension guy for $25 and they'll adjust your stock stuff to work best for you. Motorcycles Unlimited does all the suspension work on my race bikes....they work so well that it's got me race winning results. they know what they are doing, and they'll give it to you straight.

so in short...

$25 PROFESSIONAL suspension setup. DO NOT ever follow anybody else's numbers, they usually don't always work for everybody else.

go do a trackday with what you got. skills/talent first....parts later.
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I gave up trying to convince this guy, Tony.
I am listening. I just wanted to make sure that everyone knew exactly where I was coming from. I appreciate your input.
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Thank you to everyone that has responded. I will get a professional to set up the bike and ride it until I get the money for the upgrade.
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How many miles are on the bike? tire pressure? Etc...

As recommended go visit patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited and talk to him. Btw sport rider magazine is full of crappy info. Stop reading that garbage.
The bike has about 6 thousand miles on it. The tire pressure is at 33 I believe. And I am definately taking the bike to Motorcycles Unlimited. Thanks for the info on Sport Rider.
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dudeeee.....when you add too much spring (stiffer preload) you are CREATING the see-saw effect. when near maxed out, you now have a springy bike which is probably giving you the bobbing feeling.

you ask a lot of questions hoping to get the wrong answers. most of us have either experienced what you are trying to understand, or have heard the answers.....you already have the answer which has been explained MULTIPLE times.

if you think your suspension is bad.....try riding a stock SV650 that a lot of guys are still running on the track with....no rebound or compression adjuster in the forks, and a primative shock at best.

DO YOURSELF A HUGE FAVOR.....like many have said, take your bike to a PROFESSIONAL suspension guy for $25 and they'll adjust your stock stuff to work best for you. Motorcycles Unlimited does all the suspension work on my race bikes....they work so well that it's got me race winning results. they know what they are doing, and they'll give it to you straight.

so in short...

$25 PROFESSIONAL suspension setup. DO NOT ever follow anybody else's numbers, they usually don't always work for everybody else.

go do a trackday with what you got. skills/talent first....parts later.
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WHere are you getting these "feelings"? Since you haven't done trackdays that leaves you out ont he streets trying to get a feel for your crappy suspention set up. You are way over thinking things. Get on the bike, on the track and run a few sessions. THEN tell us how crappy it feels and what you want to improve. Nothing personal, but from the attitude you have now towards your bike AND those trying to help you, you already know if all. You'll crash before you ever get an inkiling of potential. Shut up for a second and listen to the massive quanitites of wisdom being handed to you for nothing.
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