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Old 06-30-2009, 07:26 AM   #1
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say that I get really serious at the track. and that I don't have a lot of cash. All I have is my zzr 600. How long is that going to get me by? I know that the the zzr 600 05-08 is the same bike as the zx6r 00-02, but the technology is nine years old. I know until I learn some racing skills that I won't be able to ride the bike to it's full potential, but i am wondering how long that is going to take. I know that I recently posted a thread saying that I was a newb and not riding well, but I did not realize that my suspension was so out of wack (I also attributed most of my overcautiousness to ritalin (the over cautiousness is what I believed got me in so much trouble), which I have decided to stop taking)(and I don't like talking about)(getting over the talking about it part). I had a ZR-7S before (before my days of medication), which as I am sure most would know is not half the bike that I have now, which I rode like a bat out of (80-85 mph corners rated for 40 mph by the yellow signs with hard sport touring tires). So after all that explanation, how far can you guess will I be able to go with my current bike?
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:29 AM   #2
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Worry about another bike later. It will do more then you can.
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Your bike is very capable. I had a '00 ZX6R and it was a strong bike that could put in decent laps. Would it be easier to put in the same lap times on a newer, lighter, faster bike? For most, but its not mandatory to have the latest and greatest.
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It will feel better to smoke people on an older, heavier bike.......knowing it took that little extra bit of skill.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:14 PM   #5
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Its not much heavier.
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My guess is that it'll be a full season before you're really at the limits of the bike as it sits now.


then there's better tires


then there's suspension

then there's engine mods.

You can continue improving both your bike and your skill for a LOOONNNGGG time to come. So unless you plan to race, and need everything a new bike has to offer to stay competitive, there's no need to get something else.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:19 PM   #7
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The dude is dead set on being a racer.
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Thanks for the advice everyone
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:49 PM   #9
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When you think you are at the limit of the bike, let an expert/pro ride it. Compare the times and hang your head in shame. It will be MANY seasons until you can outride your current steed, unless you become some sort of prodigy after the meds wear off.
My next questions would be how old are you, do you have a family, mortgage, car payments, good job? All of these will make you slower no matter what you do, if you have a responsible(self preserving) bone in your body. I'd get great health insurance that covers your for closed course competion before I started looking for a faster lighter bike? Not being a , I speak from experience as someone who discovered racing at 36. SO far I've been lucky and had mostly harmless get offs, but the chance is always there. My wife is supportive of my racing and that is a must. If mama says know, all you will end up with is "I told you so", at the worst moment. Oh and it is not a cheap sport. Tha new bike will need 2500.00 in suspention, 650.00 for bodywork and paint, fresh rubber every weekend, fluid changes every time out, etc, etc., if you "Want to get the most" ou of it. If you are dead set on it, buy someone else's late model track that has all the goods on it. Good luck, hope to see you at the track.
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Get some track days under your belt, take the instruction, and concentrate on having fun. You're bike is more capable than you may think.

Once you get to the point of riding well enough (notice I didn't say "fast enough") attend a CMRA race and sign up to corner work the event so you can see what the local fast guys look like up close.

After all that, take Buck's advice above and consider all of that stuff before you make a decision.

As far as your bike though, it's more than capable to take you to a track day and be plenty of fun as well as a great learning experience.
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I had an 02 kawi zx6 that was pretty much bone stock, and was able to keep up with many of the new bikes with goodies on them. It will be a while before your able to out ride the bike.

Learn on that bike and develop good habits and when you get a newer bike you will see seconds drop.
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Thanks for backing me up. He will not outride the bike.
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When you think you are at the limit of the bike, let an expert/pro ride it. Compare the times and hang your head in shame. It will be MANY seasons until you can outride your current steed, unless you become some sort of prodigy after the meds wear off.
My next questions would be how old are you, do you have a family, mortgage, car payments, good job? All of these will make you slower no matter what you do, if you have a responsible(self preserving) bone in your body. I'd get great health insurance that covers your for closed course competion before I started looking for a faster lighter bike? Not being a , I speak from experience as someone who discovered racing at 36. SO far I've been lucky and had mostly harmless get offs, but the chance is always there. My wife is supportive of my racing and that is a must. If mama says know, all you will end up with is "I told you so", at the worst moment. Oh and it is not a cheap sport. Tha new bike will need 2500.00 in suspention, 650.00 for bodywork and paint, fresh rubber every weekend, fluid changes every time out, etc, etc., if you "Want to get the most" ou of it. If you are dead set on it, buy someone else's late model track that has all the goods on it. Good luck, hope to see you at the track.
I am 30, have no wife, no girlfriend, no mortgage, 2 payments left on the truck, and the job is getting me by. I am a veteran, so I can go to the VA hospital for treatment with no copay. I am in love with motorcycles, addicted to speed, and don't want the cops chasing me. I can't think of anything else in the world that I would rather do than race around a twisty circle.
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when you crash at the track, the ambulance isn't going to take you to the VA.

get some trackdays (alot) under your belt, then get an SV.
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when you crash at the track, the ambulance isn't going to take you to the VA.
Very good point!
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wonder what would happen?

my guess is that if he doesn't have med. ins. thru work, he'd be treated like anybody else W/O ins. ? anyone know?
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wonder what would happen?

my guess is that if he doesn't have med. ins. thru work, he'd be treated like anybody else W/O ins. ? anyone know?
They'd transfer him to the VA from wherever he was and the Government would pick up the tab.
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wonder what would happen?

my guess is that if he doesn't have med. ins. thru work, he'd be treated like anybody else W/O ins. ? anyone know?
Not trying to be a smart , but I do have excellent coverage through Aetna. I am also not suggesting that you said or implied this but i am not someone who thinks that they know everything when they know nothing. I am simply trying to follow a dream (especially since I do not have any serious responsibilities in my life right now).

And by the way, when you use the VA hospitals for your health care needs, and they take you somewhere else in an emergency, the VA will cover that if you turn the paperwork in within a six month period (you will be transferred to the VA as soon as possible).

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They'd transfer him to the VA from wherever he was and the Government would pick up the tab.
How did you know that? Are you a veteran?
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And by the way, I do not throw my VA privileges around lightly. Even though I put my life on the line in the Marine infantry for four years my contract did not cover medical care for the rest of my life (I am also a taxpayer). I do not try to put myself in harms way for the of it just because I know that I won't have to pay medical bills. Again, I am simply trying to do something that I really want to do.
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