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Old 06-30-2009, 06:47 AM   #1
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pilot power vs pilot power 2ct setup

Being the cheap I am I scammed a set of takeoff 2cts to get me through another couple of track days before I have to sack up and buy some BT003s and warmers. I currently have regular pilot powers. Do these tires have the same profile? Do I need to make any adjustments to my suspension setup to run these? What about cold pressures?
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I ran regular pilot powers on my R1 at the track......used 31 psi cold front and back. Suspension is set to your weight, so nothing to change there.
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What are "warmers"?

........tire warmers?
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........tire warmers?
Warmers for tires? You mean for winter time, right? What do they do?
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Warmers are not neccessary. Give yourself two laps to get the tires to temp.
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I ran regular pilot powers on my R1 at the track......used 31 psi cold front and back. Suspension is set to your weight, so nothing to change there.
it's a little more difficult than that sometimes.

when you do a brand change or even a tire type change.....some tires will be a few mm taller or shorter and you have to compensate with changes to your suspension.

but we are talking about an advanced rider that will have the need for changes. some riders wouldn't even know the difference if you turned a bunch of knobs on their suspension.
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it's a little more difficult than that sometimes.

when you do a brand change or even a tire type change.....some tires will be a few mm taller or shorter and you have to compensate with changes to your suspension.

but we are talking about an advanced rider that will have the need for changes. some riders wouldn't even know the difference if you turned a bunch of knobs on their suspension.
You are sooooooooooooooo correct on that. Where's that cup of morning coffee when I need it? Thanks for the correction (and I am not being facetious)
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Warmers are not neccessary. Give yourself two laps to get the tires to temp.
Did you even read the first post?
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im runnning 2ct front and rear and went to MSRH this last weekend. started at 31 psi front n rear, came in and my tires werent warmin enough (off track pressure was 33) so i dropped a pound in each. next time out was 30, in was 34 so seemed perfect. very predicable but as stated GO SLOW the first 2 laps to let them come up to temp.

Oh and I had regular pilots before and didnt make any changes and they feel the same but 95% of my riding is commuter miles so take that into account.
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it's a little more difficult than that sometimes.

when you do a brand change or even a tire type change.....some tires will be a few mm taller or shorter and you have to compensate with changes to your suspension.

but we are talking about an advanced rider that will have the need for changes. some riders wouldn't even know the difference if you turned a bunch of knobs on their suspension.
, if you got on a track ready bike with race tires and the suspension all setup for racing, it would probably feel terrible to you.

I rode a friends bike around the track on level 1 on my 1st track day that was st up very aggressively for a lap and I couldnt ride it. The back all high, front all low, tire profile that would MAKE you turn on the corners whether you liked it or not.

That was when I didnt see how someone could lean the bike over so far that you could drag knee and peg. Those were the days.
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I dont run 2ct's but I am going to throw 30/30 cold temp is a good place to start.

As far as suspension, good tuners will ask what tires you are running, so yes..suspension should be adjusted for different tires.

Then again, I dont know the paces you run, how in tune with your bike you are, whether you can interpret what it is doing and relay that, correctly to someone, etc etc etc.

Short answer, from my limited knowledge, would be put em on...run em...if it feels wierd, then have your suspension tuned. If not..then don't.

For me...I would have mine tuned if I switched from the bt003's I currently run to any other tire. But, I probably wouldn't even notice the difference cuz when my bike is doing funny things I always look to correct something within myself first. I hate blaming my bike. Unlike so many people quick to blame everything but themselves.

But you wont catch me with a 2ct or pilot power on any of my bikes, anyway. (off topic I know) I would imagine that if they are both 55's the difference would be so minute that you wont notice.
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But you wont catch me with a 2ct or pilot power on any of my bikes, anyway.
I'm a bridgestone fan, but free is a hard price to beat....
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Just put em on and ride it Blake, i think youll be fine.

When i ran the 2ct last year on the R6, i also just ran 30/30 cold and went out and forgot about it.
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Pssh what would you know Felder you don't even drag a knee (if you can help it)
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