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Old 10-02-2012, 04:36 PM   #161
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Why?

You're crazy. Most people aren't worth their chemical value.

Criminals don't make stupid choices just once, and frankly, some decisions are so stupid you really deserve to learn your lesson in a painful, or terminal, fashion. Sorry, but not every life is worth saving. Some people are simply what engineers jokingly call "b.a.d"...broken as designed.

Not really. Stupid hurts. Sometimes it hurts a lot. Sometimes it kills you.

Only to someone like you. To the rest of us it qualifies as entertainment. If he's running - he isn't innocent and frankly, his life isn't worth the trouble.

No - hence the reason you assume if he's running, he's a piece of , and if he dies, bonus. Less cost to the taxpayers in the long run.
Making assumptions when someones life is on the line seems a bit careless. I guess the fact that I don't see someone dying as a "bonus" is why we have different opinions.

If it were your child who decided to make one extremely stupid decision one day and try to take off after being lit up for say, speeding, would you still say they aren't worth the chemical value. Would you still want the police to assume they're a piece of and use potentially deadly force?
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Making assumptions when someones life is on the line seems a bit careless. I guess the fact that I don't see someone dying as a "bonus" is why we have different opinions.
I do. A piece of is always a piece of . It doesn't get cleaner over time, just harder. There still is no clean end and it won't turn into gold.
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If it were your child who decided to make one extremely stupid decision one day and try to take off after being lit up for say, speeding, would you still say they aren't worth the chemical value. Would you still want the police to assume they're a piece of and use potentially deadly force?
I know my child wouldn't, so I don't worry about it. When you raise them right, you teach them NOT to do stupid like that. That's what GOOD parents do.

Try your emotional twaddle elsewhere. Doesn't work with me.
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So you think all crazys and criminals aren't "raised" right? And that their parents failed? And that it is impossible for someone who have been "raised" right to have a mental breakdown?
I was talking about criminals. You chose to conflate them with the insane. The two are not the same thing. Sorry - you lose on that one.

As far as criminals, yes, I firmly believe the vast majority of them, had they been raised by something other than a piece of , would not have turned into a piece of .

Yes, there could possibly be the one in a million who was normal until he decided to go on a killing spree and then run from the cops, but either way, he's committed/committing a dangerous felony and if he dies in the process, I don't particularly care.

Older I get the less tolerance I have for those one in a million arguments. They arent the norm, we all know it, and pretending they are is really stupid.
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if it were my child i would still feel the same... i always told my boys as they grew up that i loved them but that were certain things that if they ever did them, i would still love them, but i would cry at their funeral
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after reading through this thread, and seeing it go to ..... i'll comment anyway.


1) Running from the police is never a good idea. however, there are many on this forum that have, knowing its not a good idea. that being said, i do believe it is the officer's responsibility to end a dangerous pursuit before the runner has the chance to kill innocent civilians and if possible himself, by any means necessary. Obviously, all efforts to take him alive must be exhausted first. But, if the officers cannot end the pursuit with out injuring civilians, then they should back off for the public's safety....


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if it were my child i would still feel the same... i always told my boys as they grew up that i loved them but that were certain things that if they ever did them, i would still love them, but i would cry at their funeral
2) I agree with obed here. I am a parent as well, and I teach my son right from wrong, and i try to teach him how to make quality decisions. However, i make some damned stupid decisions sometimes. I'm human. deal with it. My dad wasn't a piece of , but raised me right. I was lucky enough to not have killed myself with all the dumb stuff Ive done. My son is a human being, and will make mistakes. if he chooses to try and run from the police, and looses his life in the process, damned right i will be angry. I'll be angry with everyone. But I know that it was my son's decision to run, and i will cuss him at his funeral, but i'll still love him and cry for him. Anyone that thinks their kid wont make stupid decisions from time to time is delusional.
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the idea is stupid on its face and is an invitation to missing the target and hitting something you do not want to shoot.
Like what, the wheel, fender, road? Oh the humanity

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I was talking about criminals. You chose to conflate them with the insane. The two are not the same thing. Sorry - you lose on that one.

As far as criminals, yes, I firmly believe the vast majority of them, had they been raised by something other than a piece of , would not have turned into a piece of .

Yes, there could possibly be the one in a million who was normal until he decided to go on a killing spree and then run from the cops, but either way, he's committed/committing a dangerous felony and if he dies in the process, I don't particularly care.

Older I get the less tolerance I have for those one in a million arguments. They arent the norm, we all know it, and pretending they are is really stupid.
So a person speeding is a criminal, eh?
Or is it that if they run, they are criminals?
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No - the rule of being certain of your target and what is beyond it. You have no way of knowing exactly where that bullet will go when you miss.
I wouldn't shoot at a tire on a car that's on the North Loop from the South Loop
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when they PIT bikes, i wanna see that! shoot out the tires on bike too!
They've got rocket launched nets for bikes. They're the same ones that the Texas Parks & Wildlife Department use to catch and relocate flocks of wild turkey.
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I know my child wouldn't, so I don't worry about it.
I'm sure every parent feels this way. just cause you teach it doesn't mean they will live it.
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Consequences. There just aren't severe enough consequences anymore. The liberal left with their "feelings" won't even allow teachers to grade with red ink in some schools for pete's sake. Yes, they should be allowed to chase and their should be a nationwide notification of a new law that running from the cops is an automatic penalty of 10 years at hard labor. It would take about 17 hours with television ads and "Obama" phone tweets to notify 99% of the population of the nation. Make the consequences severe enough and most of the unwanted behavior will stop as most of the people won't risk the consequences.
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F that, the police don't need to be chasing anyone around town at those speeds. I'm sure some cops get a kick out of it, as some runners do but lets consider EVERYONE ELSE.

I don't care about your fringe argument "it's a murder, rapist and osama bin laden driving/riding" mostly because it relies on the judgement of an officer who is a human.

I would like to give the LEO option to make the chase at his/her discretion depending on various factors. However, I know these guidlines will be bent broken and passed.

The good news is most of the cops I run into are better than what you read about in the news.

What is HPD current policy? That seems to be working pretty good.

When people have a flight response (very common in people/animals) it does not need to be escalated into a more dangerous situation imo. Got to consider it may be someone with a mental handicap, a kid, or someone who just made a really bad decision.

With all the cameras on all of the freeways now, why do we need an officer chasing the bad guy? There should be a better way.
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