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Old 08-26-2008, 11:57 PM   #1
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ATGATT: Has more to do with Age/Generation, than with type of bike?

I'm reposting this from another thread so as to be its own.

I think the trends to wear gear or not wear gear has more to do with age, than with cruiser vs. sportbike.

Yes, a larger percentage of cruiser riders are older (let's say 40yrs +), and a larger percentage of sportbike riders are younger (less than 40). With that said, the older generation of riders (my generation) started off riding their streetbikes during an era when there was no real substantive peer pressure to wear gear or not. It was cool to not wear gear, in many ways, and a helmet and a denim jacket were the extent to which we geared up for a ride.

Experience and Information breed new technology...

With the younger generation (most here on MH), when you guys are fresh into motorcycling and all aspects of it, and especially with the strong marketing and development of gear and safety, ATGATT is synonimous with learning to ride. So it's "normal" thinking to correlate riding with wearing full gear, for this generation, anytime you go out to ride. I also believe that, through peer pressure, younger riders feel it's also "cool" to wear gear, and many riders want to get all geared out just to pose and look cool. Be that as it may, that's actually a good thing!

I myself, as stated before, don't always wear a jacket to the corner store or even my office, or other times that I may just be riding a mile or two away on local roads. It may be stubborness or stupidity, or merely an unwillingness to correlate the risk of riding without gear with the actual severity of the consequences of that decision. I've fallen several times in my teens and 20s without a jacket or gloves, and accepted the road rash (pizza elbow, as we called it) as a badge of honor. "Yeah... I got this scar when I was riding down this twisty road, near the delaware River Gap, on a Sunday morning..... blah, blah, blah". Stupid... yes. But that's just the way it was. You rode, you crashed, you rashed.

I'll bet there's a larger percentage of older riders (who ironicly may have significantly more riding experience), who will go out for a ride without a lid, then there would be of younger riders (cruiser or not) going lidless or without gear. Smarts or Peer Pressure, Safety or Poser Points... kudos to the younger generation and the new way of thinking that ATGATT is the current standard.

I've gone from wearing full gear (lid + denim jacket) maybe 50% of the time, to now wearing full gear (lid+CE jacket+Boots+Gloves) almost 100% of the time over the last 2 decades.
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:09 AM   #2
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I agree with the "cool" factor on gear. overall though to me its just like wearing a seatbelt. 40 years ago many cars did not even have seatbelts in them! I used to drive a 1968 Karmann Ghia that I had to add seatbelts to since I wanted them (it was old enough to not need them legally though). Anyway t me safety gear is common sense, I have been in all of 3 car accidents in my life, but I still wear a seatbelt every time I get in my truck.

I also guess another influence on me was the fact my dad rode a triumph when i was a kid and always wore a helmet and leather jacket (from what i can remember at least) as well as jeans when he rode.
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Cool or what?

He's right, i love my gear, wouldn't go riding without it...
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:01 AM   #4
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I wear mine all the time, even if it's just up the road to the store. The majority of accidents happen within 5 miles of your house.
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:28 AM   #5
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Good write up there Flip.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:16 AM   #6
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Well I am 52 and never ride without skid lid, jacket, boots and gloves.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:46 AM   #7
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+1 on the generation thing

I wear full 2 piece leathers, boots, full gauntlet gloves, and a helmet almost everytime I ride. I only wear jeans when I ride to work.

My dad on the other hand, he rides his Goldwing across the country multiple times every summer wearing shorts, t-shirt, and sun glasses. If the state he happens to be riding in has a helmet law he'll wear one, but if not, he wont.

I met him at the tail of the dragon this year and really got on him about putting on a jacket and helmet before we left. He can be such a tool sometimes.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:55 AM   #8
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I wear mine all the time, even if it's just up the road to the store. The majority of accidents happen within 5 miles of your house.
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Well I am 52 and never ride without skid lid, jacket, boots and gloves.
When did you guys first start riding?
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:18 AM   #9
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I work accidents for a living and the number or cruiser accidents I work far outnumber sportbikes and the injuries are often more serious.
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Well, you saw my post on what I do. I have rode for many years. I wore a helmet when the law made me or when it was raining. I got into sportbike late in like 38 or so and bought gear for it. I think it makes no sense to ride such a fast machine without gear. I feel naked on it when i don't. I started wearing helmets more on the chopper after crashes at the track taught me that I can not protect my head from injury no matter how hard I try in a fall.

Why don't I wear it all the time. For one helmets become unconfortable after long rides so sometime I take it off for relief. Other times I just don't want to wear it too pretty of day not enjoy the wind. To each his own. I think helmets should be personal choice if you over 18.
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:26 AM   #11
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I work accidents for a living and the number or cruiser accidents I work far outnumber sportbikes and the injuries are often more serious.
Isn't there more cruisers on the road that sportbikes in teh first place?
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Old 08-27-2008, 11:31 AM   #12
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I can't ride my bike without my helmet as I always forget how to do it so the instructions are inside the helmet

I do see however mostly young kids on sportbikes without gear or even a helmet and then of course the cruiser folks which tend to be usually older (and you'd think wiser) without any gear.

So from that it would appear that the mid-twenty to late thirtys sport bike riders are the most smartest when it comes to gear.

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the older you get, the greater chances you have had an accident. you begin thinking "that sucks. I gotta pay bills, maybe I should't get hurt and lose all my ". something younger people rarely think about, since the have very little .
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I think a lot of it has to do with habits. Just like seat belts, some people use them, some people don't (although that may be harder now with the whole "Click It, or Ticket" thing), and some people use them when they remember. I think it's easier for newer riders to use at least some gear since that is what most are initially taught with MSF. Some people can change "bad" habits if and when they themselves see the usefuleness.
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I think it's easier for newer riders to use at least some gear since that is what most are initially taught with MSF. Some people can change "bad" habits if and when they themselves see the usefuleness.
That would actually require they even took the MSF course and weren't too cool for school to just brush it off as BS. We got pulled over the other day with 19 bikes in the Forrest. 4 people did not have a license. So much for MSF.

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When did you guys first start riding?
I first started riding when I was about 12 and continued through my teen years then I quit riding. I am 41 and I just started riding again 3 years ago. I was a little rusty and took the MSF as a refresher. I wish I would of kept riding all those years but I probably would of gotten myself killed or something. So it was a good thing probably.
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The question of to wear gear or not has always been debated, I am a firm believer in wearing gear but also having to choice to decline. After my last accident, which still hurts, i wear my gear more now than ever, even on my Harley. But for those who decide not to wear gear, unless you got mega insurance to cover your bills (i do), the hospitals should do just enough to keep your heart ticking and let you heal no matter how scarred or f**ked up they are for life and give the care to other who deserve it and can pay for it.
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How many people here can afford what it REALLY costs to pay for a motorcycle crash and hospitalization?

People can say they will decline to wear a helmet....well i would love it if I had a choice as to how the cost of my health insurance is doled out. It would be great if I could say "I do not want a single dime of the exorbitant amount it costs me to pay for health insurance to go towards the health care for a no helmet wearing head injured rider."
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mid-30's here and I always wear gear. I feel naked without it, because that's how I learned (MSF). I've only been riding a little over a year, though, so I agree with the generation theory. If I had been riding for the last 20 years, probably no gear would seem fine.
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I have been riding-lord I will give away my age-for over half a century and have always worn all the available protection. I agree that new older riders
often do not. To many of these people always wanted to get me one of them motosickles but don't have a clue how to ride. Put this together with no gear and the fatality rate soars, along with all of our insurance premiums.
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