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blends
03-09-2009, 09:35 AM
I went to MSR-H on March 7th. This was my first time at a RideSmart motorcycle school trackday, but my third trackday total.

First impression - Very affordable, lots of people/bikes, lots of people/bikes! :eek3:

I was there very early, like 20 minutes before the gates opened, and when I pulled into the paddock area, there were already about 50 bikes ready to go and about 5 empty stalls total.

Riders meeting - I know I am not alone in this when I say I didn't really get very much information out of this meeting. The meeting started before I had realized, and I didn't hear any announcement that it was time for the riders meeting. The fact that the meeting was also being held all the way over by the classroom meant that I had to walk like a penguin in my leathers/boots (just saying that it took me longer to get there, missing possible important information) a couple hundred yards to the meeting. Once I did get there, I could hardly hear anything because I was in the back.

I rode in Level 1 - Novice class.

Classroom session 1 - Now I know it is in my best interest to attend the classrooms all day, but I only went to the first two. The first classroom before we rode informed us of the structure of the first riding session. Everyone line up at the staging area and do a lap with your instructor, then drop to the back of the line when he raises a hand on the front straightaway and let the next rider get to see the lines.

When the instructor asked the class how many were there on their first trackday ever, over 25-30 peoples hands went up. Only 4 or 5 had been to MSR-H before and another 5 or so had done TD's but not at MSR-H.

Session 1 - We went out and I was waiting in the staging area with 1 instructor, 2 riders in front of me, and 3 behind me. Not sure who the instructor was. The 3rd lap came around and I followed the instructor around for a lap, and dropped to the back to let the 4th rider up to the front after my lap. During the 4th lap, the checker waved so there were still 2 riders that didn't get to be right behind the instructor. This was true for most of the groups.

Classroom 2 - We went immediately back into the classroom and had a little more talk on safety/track rules then we watched a video. Before we split off again, Brandt(cdill) grabbed 3 guys and said he would spend one full session with each of us. I understand the rest of the instructors did something just like this also. With 5 instructors and 40+ ppl, some of the folks weren't getting instruction until the end of the day! There may have been a couple guys who didn't get any instruction at all if they didn't ask for it. This is something I didn't like at all.

As soon as we left the classroom from the 2nd time at about 10:30 we had a good 45 minute to hour long break break before the helicopter left. Apparently this was treated as our lunch break. I didn't realize this so as I was walking to go make myself a sandwich, I heard Dave on the dirtbike "Level 1 to the staging area!" and then we got back to the track. Good thing I packed my own sandwiches cuz I never did get a chance to get a lunch. This whole ordeal seemed impromptu and not very organized.

Session 2 - After one round robin session of being introduced to the track, one classroom, and then everyone standing around watching the helicopter, they cut the level 1 group loose on the track. I think this created a lot of confusion. I know of one person who went down due to a lot of traffic in diamonds edge and people not knowing how to navigate that (difficult) corner very well/bad lines. The second session is when I followed cdill for 2 laps and then he motioned for me to lead and he followed me for one full lap. He gave me the thumbs up on the lines he showed me and pitted. I was very thankful to have such a talented rider spend most of a session with me to show me the lines he thinks are best for me to take. I followed those lines for the rest of the day and all I can say is he's a fast rider and I trusted him to show me where I need to be at all times on the track and I appreciate it a lot!

That said, there was a lot of traffic everywhere and I saw a lot of confused riders. Following Brandt around, I probably passed a dozen or so riders that were on the outside of the track around corners way off the line with no instructors nearby and a couple people turning around to see if there was any bikes coming up on them in straights and coming into corners, again with no instructors nearby.

The rest of the day - Like I said, I only attended the first two classrooms (and cdill made sure to let me know he noticed I wasn't in classroom :happy3::keke:) so I can't speak about the rest of the class sessions.

As far as the riding goes, everyone did start smoothing out their lines and getting faster as the day progressed, and MSR-H let everyone stay on the track until close to 6pm due to the delay for life flight which is awesome of them! I simply used my 3rd-6th riding sessions to build on what Brandt showed me, ignored everything happening behind me, focused on my own riding and gradually increased my speed throughout the day until I got more comfortable with the track.

I personally had no incidents on Saturday which I am very thankful for! No pucker moments or anything like that. I got a little headshake a couple times when I dropped down a gear without blipping enough and I felt my suspension under huge load on a bump coming out of the carousel while I was leaned way over, but those things I have felt before on the track so I wasn't too surprised when they happened and I just made a point to miss that bump from then on. :thumb:

To summarize...

The morning was too hectic and could have been more organized.
Quite a few riders did not get all of the information they needed at the riders meeting simply because they couldn't hear.
There were too many people on the track.
The level 1 riders were cut loose on the track in the second session and I personally think they needed more instruction. This would have proven difficult with so many riders.
The 1 on 1 instruction I did receive was great! :thumb:
I still had a good day because my bike and I went home in one piece. :)

Ridesmart
03-09-2009, 10:25 AM
we greatly appreciate your input, and will ensure to discuss this with the staff that attended the event.
All of your comments will help us improve on every aspect of the school.


I will not make any excuses for any of your observations, however, being a first time rider to a track day (or to RideSmart), I wanted to give you a bit of info on how things run at an event like this.

Due to the very unpredictable nature of crashes (no one knows when they will happen, and how serious they will be), it is very important for the organizers to see and evaluate the situation on the track, and sometimes adjust sessions to get the best usage out of the track event. I did not attend this one, but have heard there was a crash after which a person was flight lifted. This action alone surely consumed a lot of valuable time..
I also heard that because of the crash, Dave decided to change the usual schedule and use some of the delay for a break, getting better use of time. This may have come across as something confusing to new attendees at a track. It is however impossible to predict and notify others of such scenarios.

To add to the situation, MSRH does not have a PA system. What that means is that the organizer uses bull a bullhorn to communicate to riders. Due to the distances involved, this does not have the desired effect sometimes.

As to the round robin session, it all depends on the attention riders pay during class. Being an instructor, I know first hand that sometimes we get groups where each rider gets more than a lap behind an instructor, while sometimes riders seem not to understand why they are on the track. I can remember us actually repeating a round robin session because riders just did not pay attention to ANYTHING that was said in a class just before going out. Since we cannot make anyone pay attention, we must rely on each rider to try to get the information we provide (although at MSRH lack of speaker system is a serious hindrance to the efforts on our part).
It is a good thing that riders did improve with the day. I am sure you would have gotten much better use of the track if you had attended classes (those who do not go and then attend some time later on, always regret choosing to stay away from class). For level 1 and 2, classroom time is mandatory simply due to the fact that this is a motorcycle school, as opposed to free for all track time.


As you can see, several small things can easy creep up and force changes that can easily be perceived by some as non organized actions. I have received some comments about the delays, and several of the usual comers to the track have actually liked the fact that some sessions were moved around to accommodate more riding. This in no way is an excuse. Believe when I say that we will analyze in detail the entire day and will be making more changes to help in improving of the event.

If you have suggestions and other ideas, feel free to pm myself or dhdrider, and we will be glad to listen. Also, if you want to share your thoughts with Dave, please feel free to do so at 512.469.9491. He is always very interested in what customers have to say.

blends
03-09-2009, 10:47 AM
Thanks for the reply.

I understand the thing about not having a PA system and Dave and RideSmart did a lot to try and communicate to the riders. I can't blame RS for the facility.

My biggest complaint is the amount of riders and I would have liked to see a little more on track instruction. There's only so much you can learn from hearing someone say "now this corner is real tight so wait until you see the tire mark that goes into the grass at a 45 degree angle and start your turn" which is VERY useful advice, but until you are out there and see it first hand and ride that turn, it's just advice. I personally am more of a "do what I do" learner as opposed to "do what I say." It just seems like with that many people, it would be very difficult to give the first timers the proper amount instruction early in the day to keep everyone as safe as possible.

I know Dave probably altered the schedule for the life flight to give everyone the most time possible to ride, and I appreciated it, I just had no idea he was doing it until 3:30 an instructor told me that we were riding til 5:30.

As with every organization, I'm sure every TD is something to learn from and there are no set ways to do things. If someone figures out a better way to do the riders meeting, or classroom, or whatever, you can start doing it that way.

I'm not saying I won't come back to RideSmart, I'm just posting about my experience. :)

Redux
03-09-2009, 11:07 AM
How much TOTAL did you spend for the track day. Please include all of the expenses minus food and gas.

I have not seen an exact figure yet, but would like to know if it's affordable to me.

blends
03-09-2009, 11:09 AM
How much TOTAL did you spend for the track day. Please include all of the expenses minus food and gas.

I have not seen an exact figure yet, but would like to know if it's affordable to me.

basically 120 for admission to the track.

i already have all my gear so that's all i spent. :shrug:

Redux
03-09-2009, 11:13 AM
basically 120 for admission to the track.

i already have all my gear so that's all i spent. :shrug:

Nevermind, from skimming the text I assumed rented leathers, paid for the class etc.

lilmckee
03-09-2009, 11:25 AM
Nevermind, from skimming the text I assumed rented leathers, paid for the class etc.

the major expenses, besides having the actual bike...(with good stuff for the track, like decent tires, brakes, etc) would be:

The trackday itself
Rentals of leathers (or buy them, but thats quite costly)
a way to get your bike there (i.e. trailer, truck, etc)
gas in your tank, plus an addition 5 gallons
food (lunch is taken care of most of the time)

then a bunch of smaller stuff like
a chair
lots of water, and/or gatorade
some small stuff to munch on
fan




theres a whole list of stuff its all on you how frugal you are

Solracer
03-09-2009, 11:29 AM
I dont know WHY everyone thinks their first trackday will cost a ton.... Because in reality, most of the time, that the CHEAPEST day :keke:


once you are hooked, you start budgeting time and money for this crap and THEN it adds up lol

houseofpaint
03-09-2009, 11:30 AM
Nevermind, from skimming the text I assumed rented leathers, paid for the class etc.

every organizations class(instruction) is free with purchase (advanced/race classes if offered usually cost more).

general cost....
leather rental - $50-$125
trackday - $100-$180 depending which track/org.
fuel cost - 5-10 gallons for track riding

don't forget you can also cornerwork a day, and earn a free trackday....or in most cases you can cornerwork 1/2 a day, and ride the other 1/2 day for free.

blends
03-09-2009, 11:30 AM
I dont know WHY everyone thinks their first trackday will cost a ton.... Because in reality, most of the time, that the CHEAPEST day :keke:


once you are hooked, you start budgeting time and money for this crap and THEN it adds up lol

now you tell me :angry7: j/k :D

Hooligan
03-09-2009, 11:31 AM
Blends

Thanks for the feedback, RS greatly appreciates it and this is what we want, rider feedback.

Ciaka pretty much covered the rest



Good seeing you again:thumb:

cdill35
03-09-2009, 12:29 PM
Very nice write up Blends. It takes time, thought and effort to generate the feedback you did.

I can ASSURE you that Dave Wonders genuinely appreciates your feedback. Noone at Ridesmart ever claimed to know everything there is to know about track days. They day anyone, in any line of business claims that they know it all, is the day they are doomed to fail.

And thanks personally, for your compliments. I wish I had more time to spend with you. You were looking good out there. I remember following you at TWS back in November. By the time we worked together you were looking smoother, at a more techincal track, than you did at TWS. :nod:

blends
03-09-2009, 12:41 PM
Very nice write up Blends. It takes time, thought and effort to generate the feedback you did.

I can ASSURE you that Dave Wonders genuinely appreciates your feedback. Noone at Ridesmart ever claimed to know everything there is to know about track days. They day anyone, in any line of business claims that they know it all, is the day they are doomed to fail.

And thanks personally, for your compliments. I wish I had more time to spend with you. You were looking good out there. I remember following you at TWS back in November. By the time we worked together you were looking smoother, at a more techincal track, than you did at TWS. :nod:

word. :thumb: