if only the Bay Area would just sink into the Pacific ... [Archive]

logan5

02-01-2008, 11:15 AM

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_8127493?source=rss
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NATION/981079835/1002/NATION

seriously ... the Navy should simply just pull out of there and relocated all assets to either San Diego and or maybe even the Port of Los Angeles ... let's see what happens to the Bay Area economy as millions of Federal funds go to other cities.

This crap just pisses me off.

Moody

02-01-2008, 01:04 PM

The Bay Area economy would not even blink an eye if they lost a few million Fed dollars. Seriously, the land and water space alone they would gain back is probably worth 10 fold of what they would loose. Real Estate is far to precious in that area.

Cornbread

02-01-2008, 09:47 PM

So free speech and the right to assemble shouldn't be allowed anymore, just because they are protesting against Marine recruiters?

Also, the Oakland airport did the right thing. No one should be forced to provide manpower on short notice just because the military is rolling through. If anyone here has ever worked on the ramp at an airport, you can understand how chaotic it is. Even though these people are military, they must still be escorted to the terminal for their own safety and security.

The president's Marine Corps H-60s came into Abilene Regional when I worked there. We provided all four helicopters with plenty of ramp space in a no-traffic area. The only remark I heard from the Colonel was "Did you have to park us so far away from the ****ing terminal?"

Azylum

02-01-2008, 09:51 PM

that whole damn state needs to just go ahead and break of and fall in the ocean. the country would be much better off.

nuclearalex

02-01-2008, 10:04 PM

TxBritt08R1

02-01-2008, 10:48 PM

that whole damn state needs to just go ahead and break of and fall in the ocean. the country would be much better off.

then I'd have ocean front property! Literally!

Britt

Azylum

02-01-2008, 10:52 PM

california, and especially the bay area is what make america great. If one somehow isolates all the right wing conservatives in all the red states and creates a fictional country out of them it would be like some dictatorial regime...

actually its the leftwingers that want pure dictatorship. true conservatives want LESS govt.

what is so great about cali? what do they have to offer the rest of the country that we actually NEED? all i ever see coming out of there is a bunch nonsense laws that the rest of teh country ends up adopting, pure hatred for the white christian male, and a pure socialist agenda. there is NOTHING they have that we couldnt live without.:thumb:

nuclearalex

02-02-2008, 08:32 AM

actually its the leftwingers that want pure dictatorship. true conservatives want LESS govt.

what is so great about cali? what do they have to offer the rest of the country that we actually NEED? all i ever see coming out of there is a bunch nonsense laws that the rest of teh country ends up adopting, pure hatred for the white christian male, and a pure socialist agenda. there is NOTHING they have that we couldnt live without.:thumb:

if conservatives had their ways they'd probably stone women for adultery...
Sometimes I wonder what is it that conservatives are really trying to conserve? The way i see it - the conservatism is just resistance to the progress... Keeping everything according to "old school" and "old times"? Some sociesties are soo advanced in their "conservatism" that indeed
they did not seem to have developed from middle age times.. They *do* stone women actually...
Anyways this is my view of conservatism. You think i was completely brainwashed by the california left-wing radios?

Good things about California:
1) Weather
2) Natural beauty
3) If you are motorcyclist - awesome roads
4) not least and not last: this form of media (including hardware) was invented in CA.

And as for the left-wing hippies - they are harmless in my mind. They don't like and dont own weapons!

Azylum

02-02-2008, 10:43 AM

if conservatives had their ways they'd probably stone women for adultery...
Sometimes I wonder what is it that conservatives are really trying to conserve? The way i see it - the conservatism is just resistance to the progress... Keeping everything according to "old school" and "old times"? Some sociesties are soo advanced in their "conservatism" that indeed
they did not seem to have developed from middle age times.. They *do* stone women actually...
Anyways this is my view of conservatism. You think i was completely brainwashed by the california left-wing radios?

Good things about California:
1) Weather
2) Natural beauty
3) If you are motorcyclist - awesome roads
4) not least and not last: this form of media (including hardware) was invented in CA.

And as for the left-wing hippies - they are harmless in my mind. They don't like and dont own weapons!

describe "progress". you mean outlawing the terms "mommy and daddy" in text books as not to offennnnd gays? you mean giving illegals drivers licenses? you mean feminizing the country? you mean making everything so pc that one is not allowed to speak their mind? you mean taking away the freedom of speech while at the same time preaching it? i dont know where you get this strange dilusion that conservatives want to beat women or whatever it is, but pick up a newspaper from time to time, itll help.

1) Weather
ummm, weather is all over the country, not just cali
2) Natural beauty
see #1
3) If you are motorcyclist - awesome roads
see #1
4) not least and not last: this form of media (including hardware) was invented in CA.
as if it wouldnt have been invented if cali didnt exist.

when is this BIG EARFQUAKE supposed to happen? not soon enough in my eyes.:D

Azylum

02-02-2008, 10:45 AM

i dont know where you get this strange dilusion that conservatives want to beat women or whatever it is

oh wait, yes i do:rofl:

Azylum

02-02-2008, 10:52 AM

btw, cali isnt the only extremely liberal state, but imo its the worst. every time i hear it my skin crawls. seriously.

nuclearalex

02-02-2008, 11:01 AM

describe "progress". you mean outlawing the terms "mommy and daddy" in text books as not to offennnnd gays? you mean giving illegals drivers licenses? you mean feminizing the country? you mean making everything so pc that one is not allowed to speak their mind? you mean taking away the freedom of speech while at the same time preaching it? i dont know where you get this strange dilusion that conservatives want to beat women or whatever it is, but pick up a newspaper from time to time, itll help.

recommend the paper, i may read it. I do listen to Rush from time to time.
I want to know what the other side thinks. (proverbial "study your enemy":) )
The way i see it, conservatives are a bunch of, to put it mildly, confused folks that resist every scientific invention unless it conforms to what the book to which they live by says. This is 80% of the definition of progress in my mind: scientific inventions and knowledge. The other 20% comes from the realization by the Humanity that some of our "old habits" like witchhunts (1700-1800s), slavery (1800s), segregation (1960s) and other kinds of discrimination (still goes on) are actually bad, and not good "features". It seems to me that conservatives have consistently been on the wrong side of all important issues.

I admit though that whats "important" to me may not be "important" to you and i think this is why we "choose" sides the way we do...

Ultimately though we have to find ways to live together regardless of the sides we have taken and be productive members of the united society! (of course if urge really bubbles up we can always get drunk and beat each other up!:HC:)

Azylum

02-02-2008, 11:10 AM

so youre still living in the 1960s? you still think that we the conservatives still ride around with our "good ol boys" looking to lynch "the brotha" in the back of our beat up ol truck adn missing half my teeth? c'mon man. you gotta do better than that.
but you stated my entire point exactly. "study your enemy". as ive said in the past, the "christian, white, heterosexual male" is the enemy in todays america.

i believe in BORDERS, LANGUAGE and CULTURE. i (along with all other conservatives, despite what you believe) that we should all live together, as long as you assimilate into OUR culture, learn OUR language, and respect OUR borders, not the other way around.

and conservatives have nothing against any kind of scientific advancement, unless youre talking about stem cell research, which i dont understand why theyre against that either. but im pretty sure when the light bulb was invented, the conservatives didnt picket in protest. :keke:

nuclearalex

02-02-2008, 11:19 AM

so youre still living in the 1960s? you still think that we the conservatives still ride around with our "good ol boys" looking to lynch "the brotha" in the back of our beat up ol truck adn missing half my teeth? c'mon man. you gotta do better than that.
No of course i dont live in 60s. But you have to admit conservatives were wrong in 60s! That was my point. They were wrong in 1700s 1800s 1960s and today!

but you stated my entire point exactly. "study your enemy". as ive said in the past, the "christian, white, heterosexual male" is the enemy in todays america.:
No, i confused you. Rush Limbaugh is the enemy:)!
i believe in BORDERS, LANGUAGE and CULTURE. i (along with all other conservatives, despite what you believe) that we should all live together, as long as you assimilate into OUR culture, learn OUR language, and respect OUR borders, not the other way around.
I totally agree with you on this! But together with assimilation I bring a tiny bit of my own culture and my own wisdom! This is one of the reasons why this country is so great nowadays - because everyone brought different wisdoms and cultures here and the smart people that founded it thought of that as a good thing and allowed those wisdoms to flourish!

and conservatives have nothing against any kind of scientific advancement, unless youre talking about stem cell research, which i dont understand why theyre against that either.
My point is that the stem cell research is only the current "issue". The issues have been changing throughout the years but positions of the conservatives have been consistently on the wrong side, the way i see it!

... ok buddy, gotta run now for my meet. have a nice weekend - its mardi gras!:)

Cornbread

02-02-2008, 12:05 PM

AliceInChains02

02-02-2008, 12:20 PM

i wish texas would fall into the ocean...who couldn''t live without a buncha ****in hicks

Azylum

02-02-2008, 01:44 PM

america couldnt survive without texas. if cali disappeared, however, the only thing people in the rest of the country would miss would be brittany spears in the tabloids.

AliceInChains02

02-02-2008, 02:34 PM

america couldnt survive without texas. if cali disappeared, however, the only thing people in the rest of the country would miss would be brittany spears in the tabloids.

what about hollywood? americans would go insane without their TV fix

Azylum

02-02-2008, 02:48 PM

what about hollywood? americans would go insane without their TV fix

rebuild it....IN NEW ORLEANS!

AliceInChains02

02-02-2008, 02:56 PM

rebuild it....IN NEW ORLEANS!

that means the next time New Orleans is flooded Houston will be flooded with ex-californians. are you ready for that?:eek3:

Cornbread

02-02-2008, 03:04 PM

A TV station run by people who would live in New Orleans?

Wasn't that the WB?

Azylum

02-02-2008, 03:22 PM

that means the next time New Orleans is flooded Houston will be flooded with ex-californians. are you ready for that?:eek3:

hmmm, good point.....

Azylum

02-02-2008, 03:22 PM

A TV station run by people who would live in New Orleans?

Wasn't that the WB?

aw damn.:rofl:

Moody

02-02-2008, 04:15 PM

Luckily for Azylum CA is already falling into the ocean. For the rest of us that understand just how precious some parts of CA are it is heart breaking.

There is a reason why CA is so over populated.

Azylum

02-02-2008, 06:11 PM

yeah their border is even weaker than ours, and whats worse they dont care.

logan5

02-02-2008, 10:44 PM

So free speech and the right to assemble shouldn't be allowed anymore, just because they are protesting against Marine recruiters?

I'd draw the line when the city council is giving Code Pink a free parking spot just so they can protest.

nuclearalex

02-02-2008, 11:44 PM

yeah their border is even weaker than ours, and whats worse they dont care.

The country that i think had the strongest border in history of nations was the stalin's soviet union, u wanna live there? (I know i dont!)

I like everything about California! "ah... northern california living!"

Cornbread

02-03-2008, 12:13 AM

The country that i think had the strongest border in history of nations was the stalin's soviet union, u wanna live there? (I know i dont!)

I like everything about California! "ah... northern california living!"

Illegal immigration had absolutely nothing to do with why the Soviet Union frowned on free travel.

logan5

02-03-2008, 05:09 AM

Conservatives oppose stem cell research because a majority of the cells come from aborted fetuses.

The word "Conservative" has been skewed. As far as politics go, being conservative has nothing to do with religion. It means that you believe in a small hands-off central goverment that allows the local governing bodies to make their own laws.

The only problem is that Republicans haven't been sticking to their party's ideals. They've been increasing taxes, allowing the Federal government to become stronger and larger, infringed on the rights and privacy of citizens and mired us in international conflicts for political gain.

In my mind the only true conservatives left are in the Libertarian party. Conservative and Liberal used to be adjectives describing one's adherence to the Constitution.... do you believe in a conservative enforcement of the Constitution or a liberal one?

Until FDR, the our Government was actually quite good at obeying the articles written into the constitution.

Azylum

02-03-2008, 06:37 AM

The country that i think had the strongest border in history of nations was the stalin's soviet union, u wanna live there? (I know i dont!)

if the libs have their way about it, this country WILL be a communist one.

nuclearalex

02-03-2008, 05:12 PM

In my mind the only true conservatives left are in the Libertarian party. Conservative and Liberal used to be adjectives describing one's adherence to the Constitution.... do you believe in a conservative enforcement of the Constitution or a liberal one?

Until FDR, the our Government was actually quite good at obeying the articles written into the constitution.

libertarians ftw! I am for small government and individual responsibility too! (in most of things)

As for the constitution, well you know not everything that seemed reasonable and proper 200 years ago stays reasonable and proper. So that's why there are ammendments. But I have no problem if everyone abides by the constitution+ammendments as long as ammendments are allowed to be added as need arises.

nuclearalex

02-03-2008, 05:17 PM

if the libs have their way about it, this country WILL be a communist one.
Stalin's communist goverment had huge and strong army, walls around borders and secret service spying on people.... strong borders, stong military and spying on people - you see one of the reasons why i am uncomfortable with the republican agenda?

nuclearalex

02-03-2008, 05:20 PM

Illegal immigration had absolutely nothing to do with why the Soviet Union frowned on free travel. true. but a wall is still a wall. I want to live in a free society and not behind walls.

Cornbread

02-04-2008, 10:45 AM

The walls are the very thing that preserve your free society.

Azylum

02-04-2008, 07:56 PM

Stalin's communist goverment had huge and strong army, walls around borders and secret service spying on people.... strong borders, stong military and spying on people - you see one of the reasons why i am uncomfortable with the republican agenda?

so protecting you as a citizen and ensuring that the rights you have now will remain makes you uncomfortable?

nuclearalex

02-04-2008, 08:02 PM

The walls are the very thing that preserve your free society.
is it just me who thinks this statement is full of irony?

so protecting you as a citizen and ensuring that the rights you have now will remain makes you uncomfortable?

the very same things KGB would say - "we protect our uniquely free society and all of our free citizens that all have free equal rights"...

the point is that who decides what protects me and who decides what does not? When wiretapping calls who decides who to wiretap and who not to? Who is the judge? it's a very very slippery slope. This is why we have checks and ballances here! so left wing keeps right wing in ballance and vice versa.
I acknoledge that we need the reasonable right as well as reasonable left. W/o the right we would have 50% income taxes like they do in europe.

CalamariKid

02-04-2008, 08:58 PM

One more reason I love Texas!

Azylum

02-04-2008, 09:00 PM

the point is that who decides what protects me and who decides what does not? When wiretapping calls who decides who to wiretap and who not to? Who is the judge?.

does it matter? dont have phone sex with al queda and you wont get wire tapped.:keke:

nuclearalex

02-04-2008, 09:10 PM

does it matter? dont have phone sex with al queda and you wont get wire tapped.:keke:

maybe you dont appreciate the true meaning of the word freedom? i should be able to have phone sex with al queda if i wanted to! :banghead:
Fortunately for me, i am really not into that though....:rofl::rofl:

CalamariKid

02-04-2008, 09:55 PM

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CaligoneTx

02-04-2008, 10:13 PM

California has a beautiful landscape, location and weather;

unfortunately it is polluted by the people who inhabit it...

I moved here for family short term and haven't considered going back, political view points aside, there is no comparison to the state of life over there vs here; no wonder why people act as they do in California, criticise eachother and as mentioned create so many laws the other states adopt...

At least from Texas I can observe the madness and not be within it, at least until the next bill vote

Cornbread

02-04-2008, 10:53 PM

Once again, I have been misunderstood.

If we (the citizenry) did not defend ourselves against aggression or opression, be it from without, or within (government), we would not desereve freedom.

I don't believe in domestic spying or mindwashing propoganda.

I DO believe in defending ourselves against people who want to change us into something that we are not. This country is the MOST free country in the world. To stay that way, we must sometimes take drastic measures. It is completely up to the people of this nation to determine what those measures will be. If we don't like what the government is doing, we ought to get off our fat asses and change it, otherwise we are accepting the Orwellian nature of a life of fear.

Moody

02-05-2008, 10:14 AM