Barry Bonds

[pimp2303]

Sad Day For Barry Bonds...:crying:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-bondsindicted&prov=ap&type=lgns


SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Barry Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice Thursday and could face prison instead of the Hall of Fame for telling a federal grand jury he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.

The indictment, culminating a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes, charged Bonds with four counts of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. If convicted, he could be sentenced to a maximum of 30 years in prison.

Shortly after the indictment was handed up, Bonds' personal trainer, Greg Anderson, was ordered released after spending most of the past year in prison for refusing to testify against his longtime friend.

"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment said.

In August, when the 43-year-old Bonds passed Hank Aaron to become baseball's career home run leader, he flatly rejected any suggestion that this milestone was stained by steroids.



"This record is not tainted at all. At all. Period," Bonds said.

Bonds finished the year with 762 homers, seven more than Aaron, and is currently a free agent. In 2001, he set the season record with 73 home runs.

Late in the season, the San Francisco Giants told the seven-time National League MVP they didn't want him back next year.

Bonds could not immediately be reached for comment. One of his attorneys, John Burris, didn't know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press and said he would call Bonds to notify him.

"I'm surprised," Burris said, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."

Bonds' defense attorney, Mike Rains, declined comment because he hadn't seen a copy of the indictment.

"However, it goes without saying that we look forward to rebutting these unsupported charges in court," Rains said. "We will no doubt have more specific comments in the very near future once we have had the opportunity to actually see this indictment that took so long to generate."

Bonds is scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court in San Francisco on Dec. 7.

Bonds has never been identified by Major League Baseball as testing positive for steroids.



The White House quickly weighed in on the indictment.

"The president is very disappointed to hear this," Bush spokesman Tony Fratto said. "As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."

Bush, who once owned the Texas Rangers, called Bonds to congratulate him in August when the Giants' outfielder broke the home run mark. "You've always been a great hitter and you broke a great record," Bush said at the time.

Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who is investigating drug use in baseball, declined comment. So did Hall of Fame vice president Jeff Idelson.

Bonds was charged in the indictment with lying when he said he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by Anderson. Bonds is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.

"Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."

Anderson's attorney, Mark Geragos, said the trainer didn't cooperate with the grand jury that indicted Bonds.

"This indictment came out of left field," Geragos said. "Frankly I'm aghast. It looks like the government misled me and Greg as well, saying this case couldn't go forward without him."

Prosecutors promised Bonds they wouldn't charge him with any drug-related counts if he testified truthfully. But according to the indictment, Bonds repeatedly denied taking any steroids or performance-enhancing drugs despite evidence to the contrary.

For instance, investigators seized a so-called "doping calendar" labeled "BB" during a raid of Anderson's house.

"He could know other BBs," Bonds replied when shown the calendar during his testimony.

Asked directly if Anderson supplied him with steroids, Bonds answered: "Not that I know of." Bonds even denied taking steroids when he was shown documents revealing a positive steroids test for a player named Barry B.



Bonds said at the end of the 2003 season, Anderson rubbed some cream on his arm that the trainer said would help him recover. Anderson also gave him something he called "flax seed oil," Bonds said.

Bonds then testified that prior to the 2003 season, he never took anything supplied by Anderson -- which the indictment alleges was a lie because the doping calendars seized from Anderson's house were dated 2001.

Bonds became the highest-profile figure caught up in the government investigation, launched in 2002, with the raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO) -- the Burlingame-based supplements lab that was the center of a steroids distribution ring.

Bonds has long been shadowed by allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs. The son of former big league star Bobby Bonds, Barry broke into the majors with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder.

By the late 1990s, he'd bulked up to more than 240 pounds -- his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger. His physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge.

Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year.

Associated Press Writer Chris Weber in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

[ArturoC]

No surprises there.

[DanteLee]

innocent until prove guilty so lets wait and see cause money and fame can get you outta anything

[pimp2303]

innocent until prove guilty so lets wait and see cause money and fame can get you outta anything

true but i doubt he gets out of this... this is almost worst the Vick

[paniro187]

why is congress and everyone else so worried about steroids........since we have nothing bigger to worry about than steroids in baseball. :banghead:

[jetcycles]

innocent until prove guilty so lets wait and see cause money and fame can get you outta anything

you can stick up for bonds, he needs your support.

On the other hand, I think he's full of $hit and he's a fugging steroid junky. how does that old saying go? Cheaters never win!!!!!!!!!! I hope he never makes it to the hall of fame

[pimp2303]

you can stick up for bonds, he needs your support.

On the other hand, I think he's full of $hit and he's a fugging steroid junky. how does that old saying go? Cheaters never win!!!!!!!!!! I hope he never makes it to the hall of fame

kind of harsh but as big of a bonds fan i am... i dun think the hall of fame is an option for him... i think he's going down and down for good sad to say but i just think so... we will see what happens in the end though

[DanteLee]

im a big fan of justice only. im just stating all famous peeps with money live on another reality when it comes to crimes.

[cogs69]

I'm so sick of the Barry bonds issue. I say leave him alone. Steroids or not, the guy is a beast. Steroids have been in sports since the beginning. They are nothing new. Who is to say some of the other greats from the past weren't taking them before testing became an issue? IF HE LIED, he shouldn't have, but it should have never been THIS big of an issue. It has already been proven he isn't the only great player to use them. I hate to see it, but an asterik by his name is rightfully so now, but I wish this topic would die. I'm so tired of hearing about Barry and steroids. Mcgwire wouldn't have gotten THIS much PR over it had he been the one breaking the records because he is a fan favorite. Bonds is just hated because he has the bad boy attitude. Who cares?

[J-Row]

If he doesnt go to prison i dont think there will be a team that will sign him......hes way to much of a liability.

[ArturoC]

I think he should be in the Hall of Fame based on his pre-steroid days alone.

More than anything I am disappointed with him. To cheat when you were already touted as one of the best to ever play the game. I mean, it's not like he was some scrub from a latin american farm club trying make it big and provide for his family. Still horribly wrong, but I can see the motivation there. I think it's clear that he didn't start using until at least mid-career.

I won't lie. I never liked the guy. But that started waaay before any steroid talk. I watched him play at teh 'dome and the guy could just not be any less interested in playing the game.

Ah well. The '94 strike pushed me away from the game, 'roids have completely removed almost all interest in the game at all.

[Fuzzy018]

let'em burn!:violent5:

[NorthHoustonGSXR]

If they let Bonds in the Hall of Fame then they damn well better let Pete Rose in!!!

[cogs69]

If they let Bonds in the Hall of Fame then they damn well better let Pete Rose in!!!

I think taking steroids to make you bigger better and faster is on a WHOLE different playing level than betting on your own games and trying to toss the game. Thats comparing apples to oranges. Again I will state, Bary Bonds is NOT the only player that has used, but is getting the biggest heat over it only because he is a record holder. You think if Morgan Ensberg was accused they would even pay half attention to him? It would get a weeks worth the media, and die down and go away.

[NorthHoustonGSXR]

So they should let Daryl Strawberry in cause becuase he's a good player with a crack and coke problem?

Pete didn't bet on his team to lose so there was no throwing of the games...

All of Bonds records are tainted and he would not have achieved them without the use of steriods.

Baseball isn't wrestling...Steriod are not allowed in the sport. There are rules, and in Bonds case federal laws that have been broken. He is also a liar as he proved when he comitted perjury.

[txferrari]

why is congress and everyone else so worried about steroids........since we have nothing bigger to worry about than steroids in baseball. :banghead:

I'd agree, but they are getting him for purgery. Has nothing to do with the actually steroid abuse.

He pretty much lied to the govt. Thats why they are going after him. Plus, its a big name. Brings in big points.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

So uh, if it hasn't yet been proven that he's ever actually taken steroid's (i.e. tested positive), 1) how can he be indicted for perjury and moreover, why all of the hatred toward's him? I could see if there was some proof or som'n, but damn, there is none yet he is constantly berated by folks without an iota of proof that there was any wrong doing...

[andre3k]

everybody uses steroids in track & field, cant imagine other sports being too different.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

everybody uses steroids in track & field, cant imagine other sports being too different.

...that is a sad sad truth :angry7: didn't realize it till I had a few friends become pros

[andre3k]

...that is a sad sad truth :angry7: didn't realize it till I had a few friends become pros

one of my old partners ran track for TSU and tried out for the 92 olympics. Told me how bad it was then, and he saw it fist hand. Theres is no way that you can be the fastest runner in the world and not use performance enhancing drugs. If you do try to go natural then all the dopers are gonna beat you. In essence you have to do it just to stay competitive. Asafa Powell is the record holder for the 100 m sprint. there is no way that you can tell me hes not on something.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

one of my old partners ran track for TSU and tried out for the 92 olympics. Told me how bad it was then, and he saw it fist hand. Theres is no way that you can be the fastest runner in the world and not use performance enhancing drugs. If you do try to go natural then all the dopers are gonna beat you. In essence you have to do it just to stay competitive. Asafa Powell is the record holder for the 100 m sprint. there is no way that you can tell me hes not on something.

Man I was thinking that when ya boy ran a low 9.8 (not wind aided) in the 100m...ain't no way you can manage, as a human, to cover over 10 yrds a second without SOME sort of enhancements...

[txferrari]

Who cares really. This is a dead horse. The only one keeping this story alive is ESPN. I think nobody really cares anymore except ESPN.

[dnix600]

So uh, if it hasn't yet been proven that he's ever actually taken steroid's (i.e. tested positive), 1) how can he be indicted for perjury and moreover, why all of the hatred toward's him? I could see if there was some proof or som'n, but damn, there is none yet he is constantly berated by folks without an iota of proof that there was any wrong doing...

It says right here that they have evidence. Just a matter of whether they can prove it is him on the documents.

For instance, investigators seized a so-called "doping calendar" labeled "BB" during a raid of Anderson's house.

"He could know other BBs," Bonds replied when shown the calendar during his testimony.

Asked directly if Anderson supplied him with steroids, Bonds answered: "Not that I know of." Bonds even denied taking steroids when he was shown documents revealing a positive steroids test for a player named Barry B.

[andre3k]

Man I was thinking that when ya boy ran a low 9.8 (not wind aided) in the 100m...ain't no way you can manage, as a human, to cover over 10 yrds a second without SOME sort of enhancements...

a human that can travel at over 10 meters per second. This also include getting off the starting blocks and getting up to speed. That is crazy. Too bad its not as big here as it is in europe.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

It says right here that they have evidence. Just a matter of whether they can prove it is him on the documents.

For instance, investigators seized a so-called "doping calendar" labeled "BB" during a raid of Anderson's house.

"He could know other BBs," Bonds replied when shown the calendar during his testimony.

Asked directly if Anderson supplied him with steroids, Bonds answered: "Not that I know of." Bonds even denied taking steroids when he was shown documents revealing a positive steroids test for a player named Barry B.

This is what is commonly referred to as "circumstantial" and doesn't alway's hold up in court. To base an accusation on a few ambiguous letters is risky and seems to provide a significant amount of reasonable doubt. To be able to accuse someone of perjury, the government must first successfully make the case that he indeed had taken steroids. You never know though, can't wait to see how this progresses on the legal end...didn't really care much about the press side ala ESPN...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

a human that can travel at over 10 meters per second. This also include getting off the starting blocks and getting up to speed. That is crazy. Too bad its not as big here as it is in europe.

Yeah my bad, thanks for catching that lol, METERS, not yards...guess I was still in the hs state of mind...but yeah, that's an even longer distance haha, the shyt IS crazy...I wish it- track- were bigger here too...can't get any coverage here of it here...

This also include getting off the starting blocks and getting up to speed....

EXACTLY, so he had to have been running even faster because of time lost during acceleration...SICK

[dbonezny]

EXACTLY, so he had to have been running even faster because of time lost during acceleration...SICK


Under your exact same theory for track....how is it a man can play the way he did at his age when all of his peer's couldn't do it.

How is it you defend bonds but have that belief of "They have to be" for track and field?

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Under your exact same theory for track....how is it a man can play the way he did at his age when all of his peer's couldn't do it.

How is it you defend bonds but have that belief of "They have to be" for track and field?

ok, being that he only beat Hank's record by a mere 7 homeruns, I would say his peers of old were capable. What you are suggesting would apply if he had smashed the record, but come on, 7 runs? That's what, 8 games?

As far as track, it's physics man...over 10 meters a second? That's just retarded, folks were running mid 10's a few decades ago, now we're are approaching wind aided 9.5's, 9.6's and chit...

[dbonezny]

it may be by 7runs...but do you take into account exactly how many hr's it is? And why exactly it's a HR record and only 2 other people have hit that many? His peers of old were not capable if so, they'd be a lot more people at the top of that list homie.

P.S. Hank aaron's numbers have never been as unconsistant as bonds.

Whats sad here, is like what someone already said. Barry bonds was already a GREAT baseball player and would have been in the books as 1 of the greatest EVER........then he went and did this when there was no need.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

it may be by 7runs...but do you take into account exactly how many hr's it is? And why exactly it's a HR record and only 2 other people have hit that many? His peers of old were not capable if so, they'd be a lot more people at the top of that list homie.

P.S. Hank aaron's numbers have never been as unconsistant as bonds.

Whats sad here, is like what someone already said. Barry bonds was already a GREAT baseball player and would have been in the books as 1 of the greatest EVER........then he went and did this when there was no need.

I see what you're saying, and after running some analysis on the numbers (forgive me, not a baseball guy)...he does have some pretty inconsistent numbers particularly when you run the average hits versus the relative hr percentages, just doesn't add up (there are spikes in three year interval's) and there were some significant leaps in percentage, particularly in the 2000 through 2004 years...still though, this is not direct evidence and provides enough reasonable doubt to not be capable of convicting him. I can't say he did or did not take steroids- that's never been my suggestion because I simply don't know but I know it would be hard to prove he did. I question why and under what grounds can you charge the guy with perjury without first having proven he took steroids, the whole basis for the conviction. Without that, building a case against him equates to building a house on a sand island.

Here's where I got my numbers: Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/3918/career)

[paniro187]

yep steroids made him able to hit the ball better let me tell ya. :gesture: al i need to do is get on steroids and go try out. I'll be a shoe in. :banghead:

[andre3k]

yep steroids made him able to hit the ball better let me tell ya. :gesture: al i need to do is get on steroids and go try out. I'll be a shoe in. :banghead:

Logic that I was thinking with. Cant really compare track with baseball. Track is pure speed combined with strength. Most people will agree that baseball is a bit different.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

yep steroids made him able to hit the ball better let me tell ya. :gesture: al i need to do is get on steroids and go try out. I'll be a shoe in. :banghead:

:keke: A guy at the barbershop made that point last week...damn good point...:thumb:

[pimp2303]

a human that can travel at over 10 meters per second. This also include getting off the starting blocks and getting up to speed. That is crazy. Too bad its not as big here as it is in europe.

i had a buddy who ran a 10.1in HS and he was clean... we was like best friends.. and even got a scholarship so it possible just how hard you work at it

[andre3k]

i had a buddy who ran a 10.1in HS and he was clean... we was like best friends.. and even got a scholarship so it possible just how hard you work at it

if it was hs most likely it was yards.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

i had a buddy who ran a 10.1in HS and he was clean... we was like best friends.. and even got a scholarship so it possible just how hard you work at it

Do you know if it was wind aided? Makes a helluva difference...man I miss track, Meet days were beautiful, jus walk around all day courtin women until your 1 of maybe 4 or 5 events. Good times mane...:nod:

[pimp2303]

if it was hs most likely it was yards.

it was either yards or meters... i think yards but not sure... but he was very fast

[pimp2303]

Do you know if it was wind aided? Makes a helluva difference...man I miss track, Meet days were beautiful, jus walk around all day courtin women until your 1 of maybe 4 or 5 events. Good times mane...:nod:

<---- never ran track... it looked to boring

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

if it was hs most likely it was yards.

I'm thinkin it had to have been yards...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

<---- never ran track... it looked to boring

Lol, nah...not boring, practice suckd BALLZ though...

[andre3k]

it was either yards or meters... i think yards but not sure... but he was very fast

he was pretty quick if he was faster than the current womens record holder.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

10.1 is flying...whether yards or meters, especially in hs. Sure wish I coulda knocked that 4 to 5 secs off mine lol...I slow

(probably a helluva lot slower now, running like a 15.20 haha)

[cogs69]

I remembered one of my guys running a 10.3, but I couldn't recall if that was correct or not so I looked up the Texas 100M record.

Texas High School Track & Field State Records
NR = National record

Boys
EVENT MARK ATHLETE SCHOOL YEAR
100m 10.13 NR Derrick Florence Galveston Ball 1986

[cogs69]

So they should let Daryl Strawberry in cause becuase he's a good player with a crack and coke problem?

Pete didn't bet on his team to lose so there was no throwing of the games...

All of Bonds records are tainted and he would not have achieved them without the use of steriods.

Baseball isn't wrestling...Steriod are not allowed in the sport. There are rules, and in Bonds case federal laws that have been broken. He is also a liar as he proved when he comitted perjury.

Go look it up. Pete Rose was never convicted in the courts for throwing games, but HAS admitted to it since. That is why he is not in the hall of fame. That is an illegal act that directly affects the whole sport of baseball.

[R6Spartan]

that guy is a steroid freak

[cogs69]

that guy is a steroid freak

:er: ok, :gesture:

[PoPoRiderRR]

Sad day for baseball...

[Jay]

Barry who...........lol.................they drug test me after every fight i have............. i wonder how he kept it under wraps for so long.............