TMGP endurance today!!!! thanks and pics.

[houseofpaint]

so who finished in what place today? sucks we didn't get to finish the race. i was doing pretty good too....and then our rear tire decided to take a crap. Gianni...it was fun rubbing elbows for the first few laps. that guy on the yellow motard stuck me behind him for a few seconds....and i couldn't keep you in my sights any longer. can't wait til next year.


a few pictures courtesy of Mrs. Gonzo!!!! :notworthy:

http://a86.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/113/l_b15bbdcb5cc7bcc016593da39db533cd.jpg
http://a461.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/54/l_2de7be9a3b7855a417d78fb26022d7c4.jpg

HEY GIANNI.....how'd i get in front of you!!?!??! :keke:
http://a818.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/27/l_8559bdba7a3f63b09bde113ba2be92a9.jpg

DAMMIT, you're back in front! :banghead: :notworthy: :thumb: :D
http://a436.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/8/l_0779b7eefc2cfef84b1418c92dca4b9b.jpg

i had a look up the inside....but didn't happen. :D
http://a339.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/75/l_8f60be9d270da39e373e1b5bf4c5d662.jpg

http://a493.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/74/l_5ba2e8a61b5fd386552715e4de0db5a4.jpg

rear tire took a dump right before this....and we're trying to figure out how to stay in the race, but no luck.
http://a624.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/14/l_fbfb10095823555fb9773a1dfe9a041f.jpg

the weekend warriors.....saying goodbye to a short day.
http://a339.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/6/l_4ecd7acaec03155f0aa34809802fcf9a.jpg


i'd like to say thanks to Alonzo and Derek for crashing the bike :keke:, and of course for coming out to play with me and todd. Sorry you guys only got to do the practice runs and none of the actual race. and Sorry Alonzo for not giving you the opportunity to blow our engine up :rofl:

thanks to MOTORCYCLES UNLIMITED for gettin our bike ready for the race....in such short notice again. you guys are awesome.

thanks Gianni for not making me look too bad and letting me get around you a few times. :keke:

and thanks to Brandon (MU) for crashing during practice so i can get in front of you :keke:

[Riddler]

So how is the new section of track? Looks like you boys had a blast today. I was stuck working on the house till dark...Its all good though.

[baliqsR1]

nice pics..looks like yall had fun..

[nutmegchoi]

All I know, I'm gonna get a trophy. :happy3:

[Longnguyen]

how come the rear tire keeps messing up

[Dr. Gonzo]

T-tizzle...just wanted to say thanks again...really enjoyed filling in and crashing your bike...

[Dr. Gonzo]

Seriously....I had a great time this weekend and even though we didn't get a chance to race it was great to see alot of old friends...I think we stood a pretty good chance out there, you were railing...low 54's, started
in 8th and a few mins later you had us in 5th...you were moving...:thumb:

Patrick and his crew over at MOTORCYCLES UNLIMITED have done an amazing job with the xr....:notworthy: like butta baby...butta.

congrats to all of the tmgp teams...we'll see you guys next year...it's on!!!

[CarbonJames]

Congrats to those who took home some trophy's today!

Sorry to hear about your troubles Tony, that really sucks.

Wish we could have stayed in the game but, it just wasn't worth it to Joneric and I.

Next year we may be tearing up the CMRA circuit.

[Swift E]

Sounds like you all had a great time.
I wish I could have made the races but family events were already in place.

It was a pleasure to meet and ride with all of you.

BTW... Did Reddy Racing hold up on the podium?

[Capafool]

It was fun man! yeah at the beginning of the race it was just mayhem... everyone was up on everyone....I tried to get around people but too many people were bunched up, so I just figured with a 3 hr race I could back down some let people spread out, and then I could start pickin them off... so I stuck to my plan and it worked great!

hope you got to see how backing it in is done in turn 1 :keke:.. I know Rick saw it a couple times. :)

sucks about your tire man... would been nice to have yall out there the whole race. Definitely check out the rim inside and if not then start running highger tire pressure... like 35-40psi :D.... I kiid I kiid.

[Capafool]

All I know, I'm gonna get a trophy. :happy3:

you trophy is up for grabs on Ebay :keke:...








J/K. :D

[ArturoC]

Cool pics! :)

[nutmegchoi]

you trophy is up for grabs on Ebay :keke:...








J/K. :D

:crying:

I'm searching now!

:crying:

[Faylaricia]

so who finished in what place today?

It said No 6 bike finished first in Lightweights but that bike was running 48's and I asked a few folks and they think it may have been a mistake, the bike should be listed in Superbikes. It looked like a kx65 too. If that is the case, then Madseason Racing took 1st. Team with bike 5 may have been second. I don't know about the rest. :sad7:

Maybe Henry took a screenshot at the end?

[houseofpaint]

It said No 6 bike finished first in Lightweights but that bike was running 48's and I asked a few folks and they think it may have been a mistake, the bike should be listed in Superbikes. It looked like a kx65 too. If that is the case, then Madseason Racing took 1st. Team with bike 5 may have been second. I don't know about the rest. :sad7:

Maybe Henry took a screenshot at the end?

yeah, i was midway on the straight coming into turn 1.....and that bike flew by me like i was standing still. looked like a kx65 to me.....but didn't sound like a 2 smoke :dontknow:

[CarbonJames]

It said No 6 bike finished first in Lightweights but that bike was running 48's and I asked a few folks and they think it may have been a mistake, the bike should be listed in Superbikes. It looked like a kx65 too. If that is the case, then Madseason Racing took 1st. Team with bike 5 may have been second. I don't know about the rest. :sad7:

Maybe Henry took a screenshot at the end?

either way, with all the cheating going on, nothing will ever be said or done. you get what they decide to give you and thats that! :thumb:

[houseofpaint]

either way, with all the cheating going on, nothing will ever be said or done. you get what they decide to give you and thats that! :thumb:

cheating??? who's cheating? :topsecret:

:rofl:

and yeah, i've only attended 2 tmgp races....and i can see the playing field is FAR from level. i like competition of the rider....not the bike.

[CarbonJames]

cheating??? who's cheating? :topsecret:

:rofl:

and yeah, i've only attended 2 tmgp races....and i can see the playing field is FAR from level. i like competition of the rider....not the bike.

unfortunately, you won't find it there!

[Swift E]

Although, I do like to see NSR 50's lapping Motards :/:

[houseofpaint]

Although, I do like to see NSR 50's lapping Motards :/:

:eek3:

[Capafool]

It said No 6 bike finished first in Lightweights but that bike was running 48's and I asked a few folks and they think it may have been a mistake, the bike should be listed in Superbikes. It looked like a kx65 too.


bike #6 is Team Ninja on a klx110 but I hardly doubt it was a 110... they blew by me and im no noob. They've been in LW all season long. But running sub 50s on that bike is just nuts.

[Capafool]

cheating??? who's cheating? :topsecret:

:rofl:

and yeah, i've only attended 2 tmgp races....and i can see the playing field is FAR from level. i like competition of the rider....not the bike.

+1 on the rider competition... If you need to cheat to win, IMO you're f-in dumb and you deserve to get beat. The "he cheats, they cheat" talk is always ongoing and unless someone grows some balls and protests, nothing is going to ever get done. It's a lose lose situation: if your bike is fast, people say you're cheating, if you're a really good rider, and can ride the bike, people will stay say you're cheating.

I even think it would be great if they did random inspections, but yeah like that will ever happen... Some people are good and talented, and i'll give them the credit, but others take that to an advantage to fix their shit up and make them faster.

[Rick H.I.C.]

It's TMGP, you worried about that million dollar contract and the factory ride your gonna miss out on for a second or third place. :angry7:
TMGP is about the fun first. Just have fun and let the winning be the byproduct. :D
I'll let ya borrow some trophies if it will make someone fell better.

What's in the rule book about modifications. Keeping anything stock in the racing world will keep you catching hind tit. Strip the engine loosen tolerances, change bearings and cranks. Free the engine up. Just keep the cheating crying at home. :hello::D
This isn't a liberal orginization(in a gay voice) Everybody should get trophies for participating! Yaah! NOT!
I keep doing it for the fun! Not about the wins! :happy3:
Crash out there 90% of the time out there you crash pick it up kick it and go. Like mx'n. Big bike you crash it your gonna be crackin the wallet big time.:crying:
IT'S STILL ALL ABOUT THE FUN!!!! :happy3:

[MadseasoN]

That yellow KLX110 (we think it was a KLX) was fast. He was haulin butt through the corners too though, not just the straights. The thing about these bikes is that minor mods make a huge difference. Simply replacing the rear shock on the XR70 took 3 full seconds off Rick's and my lap times. Unbelievable. I could only imagine how much time that disc brakes and 'real' forks would shave off.

I only have one complaint about TMGP and it mostly applies to the Sprint races. Currently they allow you to race Novice in some races and Expert in others. For example - the same guy can run a Superbike Expert race then turn around and run a Motard Novice race. I think that's crap. The skill level applies to the rider, not the rider on a specific bike. That is all.

[Capafool]

That yellow KLX110 (we think it was a KLX) was fast.

I only have one complaint about TMGP and it mostly applies to the Sprint races. Currently they allow you to race Novice in some races and Expert in others. For example - the same guy can run a Superbike Expert race then turn around and run a Motard Novice race. I think that's crap. That is all.

There were a few yellow bikes out there, so im not sure which you're refering to. My assumption is the #15 class that runs expert? :dontknow: That bike is Marc Mondshine's and yeah its pretty quick!(it's a DRZ110)

I haven't ran sprints but yeah I noticed yesterday when they were calling awards if im not mistaking, a couple of the guys from JSK Racing(Endurance Novice) were running Expert Sprint races. I thought that was a bit odd(assuming I heard correctly, which I think I did).

Who says anything? no one. Yep, it may be crap, but in the end it's just fun to be out there rubbing elbows and getting seat time. :thumb:

[houseofpaint]

There were a few yellow bikes out there, so im not sure which you're refering to. My assumption is the #15 class that runs expert? :dontknow: That bike is Marc Mondshine's and yeah its pretty quick!(it's a DRZ110)

I haven't ran sprints but yeah I noticed yesterday when they were calling awards if im not mistaking, a couple of the guys from JSK Racing(Endurance Novice) were running Expert Sprint races. I thought that was a bit odd(assuming I heard correctly, which I think I did).

Who says anything? no one. Yep, it may be crap, but in the end it's just fun to be out there rubbing elbows and getting seat time. :thumb:

i'm sure you know all about rubbing elbows....you rubbed someone's elbow a little too hard and damn near broke his arm :keke:

[MadseasoN]

There were a few yellow bikes out there, so im not sure which you're refering to. My assumption is the #15 class that runs expert? :dontknow: That bike is Marc Mondshine's and yeah its pretty quick!(it's a DRZ110)

I haven't ran sprints but yeah I noticed yesterday when they were calling awards if im not mistaking, a couple of the guys from JSK Racing(Endurance Novice) were running Expert Sprint races. I thought that was a bit odd(assuming I heard correctly, which I think I did).

Who says anything? no one. Yep, it may be crap, but in the end it's just fun to be out there rubbing elbows and getting seat time. :thumb:

Yeah that's the one. I couldn't catch that guy. I tried.

I agree with you - it's mainly about the fun and I always have fun out there, so. I'm anxious to see how (the possible) mixing of TMGP & CMRA is gonna work out.

[houseofpaint]

from what Nancy Selleck (CMRA) has told me....they have no plans on doing another TMGP/CMRA event again (like what they did at oak hill in july).

in other words....they probably want you to pay for a cmra license to race with them.

[Capafool]

i'm sure you know all about rubbing elbows....you rubbed someone's elbow a little too hard and damn near broke his arm :keke:

actually... to set the record straight, he felt the need to close me in right at the apex to rub with me, not the other way around.

I think he just wanted to cop a feel. :keke::eek3:

[Capafool]

I'm anxious to see how (the possible) mixing of TMGP & CMRA is gonna work out.

:nod:

from what Nancy Selleck (CMRA) has told me....they have no plans on doing another TMGP/CMRA event again (like what they did at oak hill in july).


That's not what Jeff told us yesterday! he said they were planning/talking about mixing them in to where some of the mini rounds are ran under CMRA and some of theirs are run under TMGP.

[houseofpaint]

:nod:



That's not what Jeff told us yesterday! he said they were planning/talking about mixing them in to where some of the mini rounds are ran under CMRA and some of theirs are run under TMGP.

:confused2:

i guess we'll see how it all unfolds.

[SRADkneedragger]

Cheaters 101 and simple math.
I ran Production YSR50 for years and won alot of championships. Heres the deal plunk down your money and protest the guy who beat you or shut up. Simple. The talk of cheater bikes in the production class became rampant a few years ago so I talked to Denny and said lets solve the problem I'll just protest someone that beats me every race! Yeah some people got butt hurt, yeah I had to unass some cash and yeah SOME bikes slowed waaay down before I got a chance to protest them! Simple pool some cash protest a few bikes and see what happens overall.
The other point here is yes everyone wants to win no one wants to lose but lets be real its adults racing on kids bikes how serious can you really take this all(said the guy who just blew his whole wad on a one race motor!)
SRAD

[CarbonJames]

answer me this.

of all the entry fees, gate fees we pay with nothing more than a couple hundred dollars worth of trophies given out over a weekend, some electronic scoring, the volunteers who respectfully and generously devote their time plus the time and effort to put it all together, where does the money end up??

In CMRA, you get a payout, in TMGP, you get a $2 trophy for your efforts.

yes, it's all about fun but, when you're on what should be a competitive bike in your respective class, you are relegated to 4th, 5th and even lower placings, what does that tell you? cheating or not, i don't think that with ALL THINGS considered i can continue to support the TMGP series.

Our team had tons of fun and gained lots of great experience from racing this year. We appreciate the opportunities that we were afforded running in this series.

[SRADkneedragger]

I think a general accounting is in order,, And I think if you do the math $8 a head sprints at $30 $20 $5 Endurance at $20 an hour, you might find out after paying for the Abulance two paramedics and renting the track, spending time to travel to and from pay for hotels TMGP promotoers are NOT getting rich they are doing this out of love. But if you really feel like some one is getting rich out of this thing lets take a minute to crunch the numbers!
SRAD

[Faylaricia]

Fun or no fun riding, I cannot imagine it is fun when you are ready to put all your time and sweat into a little bike and go out there and are literally left standing on the straight by a bike that should be in your class but is actually being chased down by a bike from a bigger class, and that bigger class bike cannot pass that bike for the life of it.

I am sorry, but if Ty on a superbike was unable to even close in on 6 which was in lightweights on the straights or anywhere else for that matter, then even as a spectator, you were not having fun watching that. We all just smelled foul.

[CarbonJames]

I think a general accounting is in order,, And I think if you do the math $8 a head sprints at $30 $20 $5 Endurance at $20 an hour, you might find out after paying for the Abulance two paramedics and renting the track, spending time to travel to and from pay for hotels TMGP promotoers are NOT getting rich they are doing this out of love. But if you really feel like some one is getting rich out of this thing lets take a minute to crunch the numbers!
SRAD

not implying anything at all! just curious, it's food for thought! :thumb:

why would there not be payouts? CMRA does it with the same set up, gate fee is the same, entry fee is the same. they may have more people show up but at the end of the day?

[Capafool]

why would there not be payouts? CMRA does it with the same set up, gate fee is the same, entry fee is the same. they may have more people show up but at the end of the day?

Don't the payouts come from help from the sponsors? CMRA has a good number of them... who does TMGP have? :dontknow:


when you're on what should be a competitive bike in your respective class, you are relegated to 4th, 5th and even lower placings, what does that tell you?


It tells you you SUCK!! :rofl:


















J/K :keke:

[Faylaricia]

'nuff said:

http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=699716

[CarbonJames]

Don't the payouts come from help from the sponsors? CMRA has a good number of them... who does TMGP have? :dontknow:


It tells you you SUCK!! :rofl:


J/K :keke:



:thefinger

[Capafool]

:thefinger

Ima cut chu foo! :eek3dance

[houseofpaint]

$100 x 25 (bikes) = 4hr race $2,500
$8 x 75 (people) = gate fee $600
food/drink sales = ???

$3,100 - $700 (ambulance) - $200 (trophies) - $1,000 (track fee?) = $2,100

$2,100 for 1 day....might not be getting rich....but sure as hell aren't spreading the wealth :D

[MadseasoN]

Guys, if they start handing out money to the winners then it will be a whole different ball game. More protests, more cheating, more crashes, less fun IMO.

[CarbonJames]

Guys, if they start handing out money to the winners then it will be a whole different ball game. More protests, more cheating, more crashes, less fun IMO.

PRINCIPLE

[Skid]

I like racing the TMGP for fun, I could care less about payouts. But, the fun is racing and battling it out on relatively equal bikes, even if it is over second to last place. Having that fun taken away by people who don't want to follow the rules so that they can blow everybody away just sucks and takes the fun out of it. I am highly competitive and I want to win as much as the next guy, but I am not going to cheat to do it.

[CarbonJames]

I like racing the TMGP for fun, I could care less about payouts. But, the fun is racing and battling it out on relatively equal bikes, even if it is over second to last place. Having that fun taken away by people who don't want to follow the rules so that they can blow everybody away just sucks and takes the fun out of it. I am highly competitive and I want to win as much as the next guy, but I am not going to cheat to do it.

AMEN! :thumb:

[jayrsvr6]

Just FYI #6 did get protested, however they forfeited their points for the day and did not let the bike get torn down.

[CarbonJames]

Just FYI #6 did get protested, however they forfeited their points for the day and did not let the bike get torn down.

HOOOLLLYY SHIT!! :notworthy: serves em right!

[jayrsvr6]

Not only did it cost them the points for the day it cost them the overall LW championship!!

[CarbonJames]

Not only did it cost them the points for the day it cost them the overall LW championship!!

so they got what they deserved then? good for the protester! :thumb::notworthy:

[Faylaricia]

so they got what they deserved then? good for the protester! :thumb::notworthy:

Glad to hear that! :thumb:

[houseofpaint]

so they got what they deserved then? good for the protester! :thumb::notworthy:

good for the protestor???

snitches get stitches!!! :violent1: :keke:

[Skid]

If they can't race fair, then they really didn't win anyway.

[level5]

I thought all you racer are always saying about it's the rider not the bike that win the race.:hiding:

[CarbonJames]

I thought all you racer are always saying about it's the rider not the bike that win the race.

to a certain extent, yes! but somethings are waay out of hand.

they say most people aren't serious about it but, I beg to differ! :thumb:

[Rick H.I.C.]

$100 x 25 (bikes) = 4hr race $2,500
$8 x 75 (people) = gate fee $600
food/drink sales = ???

$3,100 - $700 (ambulance) - $200 (trophies) - $1,000 (track fee?) = $2,100

$2,100 for 1 day....might not be getting rich....but sure as hell aren't spreading the wealth :D

Don't forget about time spent having to be the ones at the track for arrivals and leave the track late to close up and clean up EVERY SINGLE TIME. Not to mention greif from riders complaining. Can you put a price on that? CMRA gets more money from alot more people and classes over the whole weekend overall. Being a business operation, don't forget about all of our socialist programs that demand taxes.:D
What's personal time worth? I don't feel like going to a race. I don't. If they have things that come up or don't want to make a race there are going to be alot of whiny people.

[Rick H.I.C.]

I was also thinking that if someone where to protest me cheating, I would have to tell them to let me ride their machine and see how close I could match it in times to save them some money and humiliation. :D

[Capafool]

I thought all you racer are always saying about it's the rider not the bike that win the race.:hiding:

to a degree this is true. Most of the story(topic of discussion) is told in a straight line, not in the corners. But if 2 riders are somewhat closely matched, what's next? The bike.

The corners depends on mostly the rider skill. The straights? not as much.

[Capafool]

Not only did it cost them the points for the day it cost them the overall LW championship!!

If they deserved it, then good for them and the people who spoke up. :thumb:

[MadseasoN]

If they deserved it, then good for them and the people who spoke up. :thumb:

+1

Kinda fishy that they would'nt agree to the tear-down considering the championship was depending on it.

[Faylaricia]

Yes, we are talking on the straight. Just look alone at the Best Spd (Mph) column for Lightweight Superbikes. One really stands out!

http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=699716 (http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=699716)

[MadseasoN]

Yes, we are talking on the straight. Just look alone at the Best Spd (Mph) column for Lightweight Superbikes. One really stands out!

http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=699716 (http://www.mylaps.com/results/newResults.jsp?id=699716)

Those are average lap speeds, not straight-way speeds. :)

[Faylaricia]

Those are average lap speeds, not straight-way speeds. :)

Well, when I watched it, I watched it haul ass on the straights. :keke:

[MadseasoN]

Well, when I watched it, I watched it haul ass on the straights. :keke:

I watched him from the side and rear for most of the day :D

I have to think about this one. He was 3 seconds faster than us on the best lap. Considering that he must have top of the line parts ... the question is: if we had performance forks and disk brakes on my bike could we gain an extra 3 seconds on our best lap time? We did shave off 3 seconds by adding the Performance shock.

My bike has the 108cc TrailBikes kit (maybe 8-9HP). The Takegawa 88cc kit puts out 11HP and the Takegawa 106 kit is reported to put out 13-14HP! There's at least one guy with the Takegawa 106 kit in an XR50 and he pretty much owns the LW class on the straight-ways. It could be that these guys have a similar motor. :dontknow:

[Capafool]

My bike has the 108cc TrailBikes kit (maybe 8-9HP). the Takegawa 106 kit is reported to put out 13-14HP! There's at least one guy with the Takegawa 106 kit in an XR50 and he pretty much owns the LW class on the straight-ways. It could be that these guys have a similar motor. :dontknow:

what team was on an xr50?:dontknow: and damn the 106 kit makes more HP than the 108 kit? that's nuts... what's the price difference, and what does one have that the other doesnt?

[MadseasoN]

what team was on an xr50?:dontknow: and damn the 106 kit makes more HP than the 108 kit? that's nuts... what's the price difference, and what does one have that the other doesnt?

I was just giving an example of a bike with the Takegawa kit. There's a guy running sprints with one. He has a Green powder coat frame.

The Takegawa 106 kit runs about $1300.

My 108 kit was $500.

[Rick H.I.C.]

Those are average lap speeds, not straight-way speeds. :)

And lap speed is determined only by the lap time. Getting through traffic can change that dramatically. Looking at ours is always funny to see a lap that is obvious with traffic. No more Mr. Nice guy.:evil4::D

[Faylaricia]

And lap speed is determined only by the lap time. Getting through traffic can change that dramatically. Looking at ours is always funny to see a lap that is obvious with traffic. No more Mr. Nice guy.:evil4::D

Gotta race like that Philip guy. He looked like he was out there by himself, expect for that there were other bikes all over the place but he just went past them like they were optical illusions.

[Capafool]

And lap speed is determined only by the lap time. Getting through traffic can change that dramatically. Looking at ours is always funny to see a lap that is obvious with traffic. No more Mr. Nice guy.:evil4::D

avg speed = track length / lap time.

track length = .7 mi. The rest is up to you :thumb:

[MadseasoN]

What's an average lap time at Katy (LW SB Class)?

Just wondering where I stand in the pack.

[houseofpaint]

looks like mainly everybody is going around in about 54 seconds

[SRADkneedragger]

answer me this.

of all the entry fees, gate fees we pay with nothing more than a couple hundred dollars worth of trophies given out over a weekend, some electronic scoring, the volunteers who respectfully and generously devote their time plus the time and effort to put it all together, where does the money end up??

In CMRA, you get a payout, in TMGP, you get a $2 trophy for your efforts.

yes, it's all about fun but, when you're on what should be a competitive bike in your respective class, you are relegated to 4th, 5th and even lower placings, what does that tell you? cheating or not, i don't think that with ALL THINGS considered i can continue to support the TMGP series.

Our team had tons of fun and gained lots of great experience from racing this year. We appreciate the opportunities that we were afforded running in this series.

I think that we have a can of worms here!


#1 Money
I really think if someone asks TMGP will be glad to furnish $$$ amounts and I think your going to find its a labor of love. Did you forget Motels For staff at $80 to $100 a night? Travel expenses no one lives in Katy or Denton (or Hitchcock and Oak hill when we were running there) we spent over $100 in fuel to drive an s10 out to the track. Not a Van loaded with equipment pulling trailer. What about the amount of man hours "donated" by Volunteers?( You do of course realize that the Phillips family basically runs the show in the "Volunteer" catagory, daughter at the gate , son does tech insp, Lori scores does grids etc, Jeff runs the show , and don't forget linda, holly who knows who all else) Equipment costs yeah they have to have their own (TMGP) computers printers Ink Paper, Trophies(sorry guys I think your going to find these cost more than $2) flags, eaze ups for corner workers, cones, leaf blower to blow the track clean before the race day, Tables to put Pizza and trophies, $$$ for track rental, INSURANCE oh I guess we just forgot about trying to buy insurance for a RACING Organization. Hey its not much but do you realize that:
They Bought trash bags
The "Concessions" consisted of a giant cooler full of iced drinks for $.50 each figure what 4 bags of ice cost to fill it plus write off cooler cost over 2 years.,,,,,Hmmm Giant profit there!:gesture:
Ambulance rental???Don't honestly remember I knew at one time.
Man hours at home dealing with paperwork paying bills sucking up for freebie swag to GIVE AWAY.
Did you forget about the "Horse Choking WAD" a roll of cash that is given away at the end every race. I could tell you how much that is but it's secret only US winners know.
Constantly having to be caught in between the gokarters who hate us and the track owners who want our $$$
Trying to work with CMRA to get more races and venues



#2 Payout
So I guess you want to win some $$$ for racing a MINI BIKE in a MINI BIKE SERIES?:eek3: Dude if the $$$ is that important or your THAT fast go to the CMRA or AMA and win you some$$$

#3 cheaters
Simple if you think some one is cheating AND they beat you be a man and put your money where your mouth is. Don't snivel and whimper, just man up and say" Here's my money I want to protest that guy"
Believe me I did it in the past and "Certain" Bikes slowed significantly before I got a chance to protest them. It's hard to be honest if you THINK everyone else is cheating. An occassional protest keeps EVERYONE honest. Things have changed alot over the years. When there was a Production YSR50 class years ago the rules said "No selective part matching to obtain performance" OOPS! I had 5 or 6 YSR motors torn and ACCIDENTALLY put the "Best" parts in one motor. Was tjat selective or just a coincidence?:keke:
Yes there are people who think winning is more important than fun. Yes there are people who think winning is more important than playing fair. Yes there are people who will do anything to win just like there are people who will quit if they don't win.
PROTEST SOMEONE! ANYONE! Heck Protest ME!
I havn't heard anything about the LWSB protest but if those guys got protested and refused a teardown ,,,,, they were cheating. FACT:nod:

#4 be honest with yourself is that guy using a cheater bike? Or is he just faster than you? My wife and I carried the same corner speed on a YSR as 85% of the bikes out there but some of these guys can really ride and just blow by in the corners at speeds that are unbelievable!

#5 Fun
Well I'll tell you about fun. We showed up with a PRODUCTION (read STOCK)
YSR50 only to find out that the bottom class was now SuperSport YSR
(overbore carb expansion chamber no airbox) We were and still are the slowest team out there! We enjoy going out and dragging a knee. Improving/sharpening our riding skills. Spending Husband and wife time building racing traveling. Putting the stuff on Novices in the corners and bragging about it laters. Going into the last turn at Katy and dragging your hand ON the track surface just to intimidate the guy thats getting ready to blow by you on a SuperBike. Spending time with a group of racers unlike any other. These people will lend you tools, parts, hell I've seen bikes loaned to an opposing team that then got beat by their own Back up Bike!(yeah that was me) A place where the kids are just left free to roam the pits visiting playing selling homemade brooms and crosses. No one has to worry about stolen tools or molested kids, malicious attitudes or arrogance. It's like a family reunion pic nic with racing thrown in on the side. It's an atmosphere where no one is afraid to bring their kids to race because no one is going to get so reckless as to hurt some one.
well I could rant on and on but I think you catch the drift, I hate to see anyone leave and always want to see more noobs join, so I hope you rethink things
CARL and MARIE
TEAM
FAMILYPOWERSPORTS
Racing

[jdselman]

There were a few yellow bikes out there, so im not sure which you're refering to. My assumption is the #15 class that runs expert? :dontknow: That bike is Marc Mondshine's and yeah its pretty quick!(it's a DRZ110)

I haven't ran sprints but yeah I noticed yesterday when they were calling awards if im not mistaking, a couple of the guys from JSK Racing(Endurance Novice) were running Expert Sprint races. I thought that was a bit odd(assuming I heard correctly, which I think I did).

Who says anything? no one. Yep, it may be crap, but in the end it's just fun to be out there rubbing elbows and getting seat time. :thumb:

Capafool,

You heard correctly about 2 riders from JSK Racing running in the expert sprint races. I am not sure about nobody not saying anything is true. I know somebody this year brought that question up in regards to novice riders being in the expert sprint classes. From what I gather, the response was that it was not against the rules for a novice to "run up" a class in experts just as it was not against the rules to run a LWSB in Superbike classes. I also got the opinion that if the novice was slow enough to be a hazard to the expert riders then the race official would not allow them to be on the track in expert races.

In the case of myself and my brother, we made the decision to run some expert classes in the last 2 TMGP races. Partially due to low expert turnout in the MiniGP Class ( there was only 1 expert there this weekend). We also felt that during the year our skills had grown to the point that we were not a hazard on the track (i.e. being lapped) and who can turn down the opportunity to run more races anyway. Just because we may end up with a podium finish by default ( I got a 3rd once I believe because 2 experts crashed out) does not necesarily mean we are doing wrong by running a higher class up.

[Capafool]

Capafool,

You heard correctly about 2 riders from JSK Racing running in the expert sprint races. I am not sure about nobody not saying anything is true. I know somebody this year brought that question up in regards to novice riders being in the expert sprint classes. From what I gather, the response was that it was not against the rules for a novice to "run up" a class in experts just as it was not against the rules to run a LWSB in Superbike classes. I also got the opinion that if the novice was slow enough to be a hazard to the expert riders then the race official would not allow them to be on the track in expert races.

In the case of myself and my brother, we made the decision to run some expert classes in the last 2 TMGP races. Partially due to low expert turnout in the MiniGP Class ( there was only 1 expert there this weekend). We also felt that during the year our skills had grown to the point that we were not a hazard on the track (i.e. being lapped) and who can turn down the opportunity to run more races anyway. Just because we may end up with a podium finish by default ( I got a 3rd once I believe because 2 experts crashed out) does not necesarily mean we are doing wrong by running a higher class up.

Thanks for the explanation :thumb:

Just figured that coming from CMRA (I don't think CMRA would ever let you do that to run in both ranks), it would apply also here(I haven't ran sprints in TMGP so I wouldn't know). And yeah, I agree that if you think you can put up your LW bike(assuming legal LW) against SB and kick some ass, then you should be allowed to! Kinda like running a 600 in a 1000 class. I don't think its wrong on your part to do it if the organization allows it.

[Scorpio]

Nothing wrong with running up a class, I did it a few times this year on my stock 100.

[Capafool]

Nothing wrong with running up a class, I did it a few times this year on my stock 100.

up a class? or rank? I think the concern some people had was with running expert races if you're a novice, not running a "slower" bike in a "faster" class.

[humanrace911]

$100 x 25 (bikes) = 4hr race $2,500
$8 x 75 (people) = gate fee $600
food/drink sales = ???

$3,100 - $700 (ambulance) - $200 (trophies) - $1,000 (track fee?) = $2,100

$2,100 for 1 day....might not be getting rich....but sure as hell aren't spreading the wealth :D

You need to call your grade school math teacher and tell him/her that you are sorry that you didn't pay attention in class.$3100-$700-200-1000=$1200.

Where do you buy trophies for $2.00? Trophy presentation for the TMGP cost over $3000.00 at the last race. The gate doesn't pay for insurance which is based on the number of people coming through the gate. If they didn't allow spectators, the TMGP would make more money. They lose about $2 for everyone that comes through the gate and doesn't race.

Ambulance? Let's see, 2 paramedics (3 at Katy), one fully equipped ambulance driven to Katy and Denton, and rooms and meals for all =$700.:eek3: Ha Ha ha ha Ha! It would be hard to get 2 homeless guys from the parking lot at George Brown Convention Center to do it for that.

$100X25 teams=When did we have 25 teams except at the final race when we discounted entries fees for everyone that raced with us this year. 11 of the teams raced for free, five raced for $15 and all but 1 team paid less than $60. Let's see, using my math, not yours, 16 out of the 25 teams paid a total of $75 (total, not each). The other 9 paid a total of $360.00. The promoters are probably headed to Las Vegas!! Sprint racers enjoyed a similar discount with 20 racers racing for free and 52 racers eligible for an 80% discount. The promoters did make money on the first 6 races. They gave it back at the last one. Where were you, Mr. Share The Wealth, when the promoter lost over $2000.00 on a race at Denton a couple of years ago? It happened on a rain soaked weekend. I'll see you at the track this weekend so you can just bring me a check. Let's share.

Food and drink sales=$??? The only food and drink available is the white chest next to the door to registration. Sodas or a bottle of water cost $0.50 each. The profit on drink sales must be 3 to 5 dollars per weekend. No wait, Jeff has to buy the ice and not everyone actually puts money in the kitty when they get a soda so it's actually a losing proposition.

$2100.00 per day X 8 weekends X 2 days in a weekend = $33,600 for a few days work!!!:gesture: If this was anywhere near the actual figures, I doubt that the 5 previous promoters would have given the promoting rights to each succeeding promoter. No promoter has ever made any money by letting someone else become promoter of the TMGP. If I had a business that generated $30,000+ profit for 8 weekends of work, I could certainly sell it for something. Why haven't the 5 former Promoters sold out?

[hotnanas]

Ya, I'm in it for the fun. I really wanted to be there this last weekend, but other endeavors came up.

And Carl (SRADkneedragger) get's the most air at the Denton track. I think he thinks that ysr is a supercross bike.

[houseofpaint]

You need to call your grade school math teacher and tell him/her that you are sorry that you didn't pay attention in class.$3100-$700-200-1000=$1200.

Where do you buy trophies for $2.00? Trophy presentation for the TMGP cost over $3000.00 at the last race. The gate doesn't pay for insurance which is based on the number of people coming through the gate. If they didn't allow spectators, the TMGP would make more money. They lose about $2 for everyone that comes through the gate and doesn't race.

Ambulance? Let's see, 2 paramedics (3 at Katy), one fully equipped ambulance driven to Katy and Denton, and rooms and meals for all =$700.:eek3: Ha Ha ha ha Ha! It would be hard to get 2 homeless guys from the parking lot at George Brown Convention Center to do it for that.

$100X25 teams=When did we have 25 teams except at the final race when we discounted entries fees for everyone that raced with us this year. 11 of the teams raced for free, five raced for $15 and all but 1 team paid less than $60. Let's see, using my math, not yours, 16 out of the 25 teams paid a total of $75 (total, not each). The other 9 paid a total of $360.00. The promoters are probably headed to Las Vegas!! Sprint racers enjoyed a similar discount with 20 racers racing for free and 52 racers eligible for an 80% discount. The promoters did make money on the first 6 races. They gave it back at the last one. Where were you, Mr. Share The Wealth, when the promoter lost over $2000.00 on a race at Denton a couple of years ago? It happened on a rain soaked weekend. I'll see you at the track this weekend so you can just bring me a check. Let's share.

Food and drink sales=$??? The only food and drink available is the white chest next to the door to registration. Sodas or a bottle of water cost $0.50 each. The profit on drink sales must be 3 to 5 dollars per weekend. No wait, Jeff has to buy the ice and not everyone actually puts money in the kitty when they get a soda so it's actually a losing proposition.

$2100.00 per day X 8 weekends X 2 days in a weekend = $33,600 for a few days work!!!:gesture: If this was anywhere near the actual figures, I doubt that the 5 previous promoters would have given the promoting rights to each succeeding promoter. No promoter has ever made any money by letting someone else become promoter of the TMGP. If I had a business that generated $30,000+ profit for 8 weekends of work, I could certainly sell it for something. Why haven't the 5 former Promoters sold out?

dammit. i hit my head too many times i suppose. my math is bad :banghead:

i was only giving an example since someone said do the math. guess i wasn't the right guy to do the math. :/:

either way i have fun in tmgp, and i think this conversation has gotten way outta hand. from cheating to money issues.

good for you guys who are standing up for tmgp and what you believe in....i'm not part of the "club" yet.....so i'm just seeing oppositions from both sides.

[level5]

$100 x 25 (bikes) = 4hr race $2,500
$8 x 75 (people) = gate fee $600
food/drink sales = ???

$3,100 - $700 (ambulance) - $200 (trophies) - $1,000 (track fee?) = $2,100

$2,100 for 1 day....might not be getting rich....but sure as hell aren't spreading the wealth :D


:rofl:

I'm protesting you.:keke:

[SRADkneedragger]

And Carl (SRADkneedragger) get's the most air at the Denton track. I think he thinks that ysr is a supercross bike.
This is an older pic of me "Sneaking" up on my son at Denton in the air assault maneuver Hotnanas is talking about
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/ns50r/denton2.jpg
SRAD

[40Arpent]

...i think this conversation has gotten way outta hand..... i'm just seeing oppositions from both sides.

You're right, it has gotten out of hand, and you should look in the mirror for the reason why. Your unfounded criticism and insinuations that the Phillips family is making good money from TMGP is hardly "seeing oppositions from both sides." Too bad nobody ever taught you to keep your mouth shut until you know all the facts (same goes for a few others posting in this thread). If y'all don't like the way it's being run, start your own damn series...bet you change your tune immediately.

I raced for a couple years with TMGP, and I'd hate to see such a fantastic opportunity to have fun end because of a bunch of whiners bitching like little school girls. Frankly, for all the hard work and tireless efforts of the Phillips family, I'd like to see them become filthy rich from TMGP....they'd deserve every penny.

It really appalls me that some of you have the nerve to sit here judging and criticizing the very people who work their butts off year after year to bring us such an awesome series.

Lastly, if you can't afford to have fun, stay home.

Pete

[40Arpent]

i don't think that with ALL THINGS considered i can continue to support the TMGP series.


And I don't think anyone will miss you. Have fun trying to find somewhere to race that new project of yours.

Pete

[SBK Pilot]

if you think you represent tmgp think again...

posts that incite more drama are not needed at this time kthx...

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