who is the better NBA player

[arturo3rd]

there are 4 options in this poll although there are many more players that should be considered

state your reason why you chose that player out of the three

[arturo3rd]

my vote is for kobe

everytime i see kobe play (in person especially) i am amazed how great he moves with and without the ball. he decides when he wants to turn it on just like last year in the playoffs.

anytime kobe is on the court, the team he is playing with has a chance to win.

[sbfuller]

kobe, he domintes and makes everyine that guards him look like a 5th grader guarding a varsity star

[ArturoC]

None of the above. :)

[hotcknstrips]

I don't like basketball.

[Romeo36]

kobe but back in the day no doubt it would be mj

[cogs69]

I can't answer that question with what is given. Better player? Or most potent offensive guy? I think Tracy is a better defender than kobe, I think kobe is more explosive on offense, I think Yao can impact a team as a whole more than any one given player, I think Wade is over rated. The best all-around player in the league in my opinion is Steve Nash.

[wever411]

my vote is for kobe

everytime i see kobe play (in person especially) i am amazed how great he moves with and without the ball. he decides when he wants to turn it on just like last year in the playoffs.

anytime kobe is on the court, the team he is playing with has a chance to win.
if he could "decide to turn it on," why doesn't he turn it on all the time? does he just not like winning?

[txferrari]

I voted for Tmac. He's my boooooy!!!!!!!!!!

[arturo3rd]

if he could "decide to turn it on," why doesn't he turn it on all the time? does he just not like winning?

i think he was pissed last years when the team wasnt playing with effort during the playoffs.

[arturo3rd]

I can't answer that question with what is given. Better player? Or most potent offensive guy? I think Tracy is a better defender than kobe, I think kobe is more explosive on offense, I think Yao can impact a team as a whole more than any one given player, I think Wade is over rated. The best all-around player in the league in my opinion is Steve Nash.

out of the four mentioned, who do you think is the best overall.

i like tmac and yao ALOT, but think kobe is better overall.

[wever411]

i think kobe has the better skills, if only he had a better attitude :nod:

[txferrari]

This is how I see it. If Im starting a team and I have to choose between those 4, I'm going with Tmac. But thats just my opinion.

[mekrew]

if i was a gm or a head coach i would pick up

1. wade
2. tmac
3. yao
4. kobe

the only reason i would get kobe earlier if my team just sucked , but i dont like his dont ball the ball get the team involved mentality

look at l.james, he distributes the ball and because of that it makes that TEAM better.

kobe shoots til he misses THEN passes the ball , if i was on his team i wouldnt even want to play with him on the court

[cogs69]

out of the four mentioned, who do you think is the best overall.

i like tmac and yao ALOT, but think kobe is better overall.

When he is healthy, I would have to say Tracy. Scoring wise he is almost there with Kobe, actually he has been better than Kobe before, 02-04, back in his more selfish years. I think when you take defense, scoring, assists, and just how he gets his TEAM involved, I would pick Tracy over Kobe. Kobe is great, probably the greatest offensive scorer since Jordan, but one game he can make the team look great and the next week be a cancer.

[cogs69]

Yea, what Mekrew said. Except I wouldn't consider D-Wade, I may be dumb, or just don't keep up with him enough, I just don't see him on the same level.

[bubby]

Kobe! Ability to take over the game and no one can defend him. Does lack the ability to keep team involved sometimes. T-Mac is hurt too often and tends to lose aggressiveness. Yao is the best center, but relys on team mates to set him up. To me, Wade is great, but just not in Kobe and T-Mac's league yet.

[CubanGIXXER]

NONE ... IM THE BEST B.B. PLAYER! :D

[arturo3rd]

btw, wasnt kobe on the all defensive team for a few years now too?

[wever411]

btw, wasnt kobe on the all defensive team for a few years now too?
:nod: he's been on there a few years

[cogs69]

btw, wasnt kobe on the all defensive team for a few years now too?

And that means what? Exactly what criteria is used for that? Stats? Or opinions of the media? Go look at stats, Kobe career wise as avg. 1.5 steals, .6 blocks, and 4.0 Def Reb/game. Tracy has avged 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, and 4.6 def reb/game. I know Tracy gets stuck on the other team's superstar quite regularly. His numbers would actually be better if they kept him from chasing the superstar on the other team. If I'm not mistaken, Kobe defends the other guys so he can concentrate his energy on scoring.

An LA, Dallas, or NY team will get credibility before any Houston team or player any day. Thats just how it is. I don't know how Adelman plans on doing it, but since Van Gundy was a defensive minded coach, he cared about stopping the other team before scoring. That meant putting his best defenders on their best players. That is why Tracy had to guard the tougher guys.

Again, I won't take anything away from Kobe, the guy is awesome. Still not "THE" guy for me.

[arturo3rd]

And that means what? Exactly what criteria is used for that? Stats? Or opinions of the media? Go look at stats, Kobe career wise as avg. 1.5 steals, .6 blocks, and 4.0 Def Reb/game. Tracy has avged 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, and 4.6 def reb/game.


stats do have alot to do with it but they earn it for the year not career stats like you posted.

im not trying to convince you that kobe is better but just thought i would let you know he HAS been recognized for his defense and not just for his offense. and TM-Mac does not guard the other teams best player very often. he would get tired and not be productive on the offensive side.

i'd rather have kobe defending labron james over t-mac.

[mekrew]

i'd rather have kobe defending labron james over t-mac.

true but i would rather have james than kobe lol

[wever411]

true but i would rather have james than kobe lol
:nod:

[SugarDaddy]

Kobe is the best PLAYER!! 1 vs 1, no one can stop him, but for a team concept.... D Wade is the winner.

[typeoneunit0]

Yao should not even be one of the options...he is not and never will be a dominate player. I would go D-wade all the way.

[Milez28]

Dirk Nowitzki

[cogs69]

^^ HAHA, I was wondering how long it would take for that guy to get brought up. A 7 foot guy that is completely soft down low, can't guard, hell of a shooter, but also the biggest flopping cry baby since Malone. At least Malone wasn't soft. I think Luther Head could back him in the paint. (for those of you who are going to take me literally, I know Head couldn't back him down, but he is soft)

[TWISTED METAL]

there should always be a none of the above choice...

[wever411]

^^ HAHA, I was wondering how long it would take for that guy to get brought up. A 7 foot guy that is completely soft down low, can't guard, hell of a shooter, but also the biggest flopping cry baby since Malone. At least Malone wasn't soft. I think Luther Head could back him in the paint. (for those of you who are going to take me literally, I know Head couldn't back him down, but he is soft)
+1

[arturo3rd]

there should always be a none of the above choice...

you must chose one of those listed. thats the reason there wasnt another option

[cogs69]

lol, it doesn't say best in the NBA, says whos the best, and gives you 4 options.

[cogs69]

Yao should not even be one of the options...he is not and never will be a dominate player. I would go D-wade all the way.

Not a dominate player? Why? Because he isn't as colorful and forceful as the other players? He doesn't hit the highlight reels? Ahhh....I bet you are one that watches 10 games a year and relies on ESPN (Which is biased against all Houston players on all teams) to form your opinion? 25PPG in only 33 Minutes per game, 9.4 rebounds per game, 2 blocks, 2 assists (should be more) and over .500 shooting percentage, with an 86% Free throw percentage. That isn't dominant? Just since someone brought him up, here is the line from ESPN on Dirk PPG 24.6 | RPG 8.9 | BPG 0.8. Here is the exact copy of Yao's PPG 25 | RPG 9.4 | BPG 2. Guess Dirk isn't dominate either. Or here is Kevin Garnett PPG 22.4 | RPG 12.8 | BPG 1.7. Nope, must not be dominate either, surely Duncan is dominating right PPG 20 | RPG 10.6 | BPG 2.4. Guess not, they are all pretty close when it comes to stats. And to think, Yao had to come back from a broken knee to get those numbers. Let me know what dominate means, because I surely think all those guys are dominating players.

[wever411]

actual facts to back up your statements :thumb:

[cogs69]

lol, those do tend to help when you are going to bash a player huh.

[wever411]

lol, those do tend to help when you are going to bash a player huh.
:nod:

[arturo3rd]

i dont like TNT's or espn coverage of the rockets. they give so much praise to the heat and shitty teams because of the market.

h-town is a bball city IMO

[cogs69]

Texas is a ballin state. Houston does have a lot of skill come out of it. I do hate ESPN though, I can't stand how much they talk bad about houston teams.

[arturo3rd]

Texas is a ballin state. Houston does have a lot of skill come out of it. I do hate ESPN though, I can't stand how much they talk bad about houston teams.

the championship always has to come through texas.

[typeoneunit0]

Not a dominate player? Why? Because he isn't as colorful and forceful as the other players? He doesn't hit the highlight reels? Ahhh....I bet you are one that watches 10 games a year and relies on ESPN (Which is biased against all Houston players on all teams) to form your opinion? 25PPG in only 33 Minutes per game, 9.4 rebounds per game, 2 blocks, 2 assists (should be more) and over .500 shooting percentage, with an 86% Free throw percentage. That isn't dominant? Just since someone brought him up, here is the line from ESPN on Dirk PPG 24.6 | RPG 8.9 | BPG 0.8. Here is the exact copy of Yao's PPG 25 | RPG 9.4 | BPG 2. Guess Dirk isn't dominate either. Or here is Kevin Garnett PPG 22.4 | RPG 12.8 | BPG 1.7. Nope, must not be dominate either, surely Duncan is dominating right PPG 20 | RPG 10.6 | BPG 2.4. Guess not, they are all pretty close when it comes to stats. And to think, Yao had to come back from a broken knee to get those numbers. Let me know what dominate means, because I surely think all those guys are dominating players.


Domiant means your team winnings play offs and championships, which we are not doing. Yao is not a Duncan, he cannot carry the team as Duncan can. Compare the rings on there fingers that is domination not stats. Point of fact I don't watch espn, to much Nascrap.

[typeoneunit0]

Come on guys get real, the houston teams do sux. The only one to make us kinda proud in the last 10 years has been the Astros, which they have manage to fall back on there sucky ways. When our teams earn respect, they will get it.

Sorry we do have and outstanding soccer team!!!!!!!!! A shining beacon for the rest of our teams to step out of mediocrity.

[cogs69]

Domiant means your team winnings play offs and championships, which we are not doing. Yao is not a Duncan, he cannot carry the team as Duncan can. Compare the rings on there fingers that is domination not stats. Point of fact I don't watch espn, to much Nascrap.

You have just made yourself not worthy of debating sports. Duncan carries the team? So they don't have one of the top 5 point guards in the league in Tony Parker PPG 18.6 | APG 5.5 | SPG 1.1 , or one of the premier shooting guards in Manu Ginobili PPG 16.5 | APG 3.5 | 3P% .396, not to mention some stout supporting roles from Michael Finley, Brent Barry, and lets not forget the old man that was very important in Houston's rings Robert Horry. If rings were a stat that says how dominant you are, Robert Horry is more dominant than MJ. That is just plain IGNORANT. Stats are where it is at. So Kevin Garnett is not dominant, Charles Barkley wasn't Dominant, or how about our own Tracy McGrady that has won the scoring title twice, he isn't and never was dominant either.

With that said, Duncan is VERY important in the Spurs game, but Yao has just as good numbers, problem is, we haven't had a solid true scorer when you get past Tracy and Yao. Yao is the real deal, just wait and see, we will get our wins with him under center as long as he stays healthy.

[typeoneunit0]

You have just made yourself not worthy of debating sports. Duncan carries the team? So they don't have one of the top 5 point guards in the league in Tony Parker PPG 18.6 | APG 5.5 | SPG 1.1 , or one of the premier shooting guards in Manu Ginobili PPG 16.5 | APG 3.5 | 3P% .396, not to mention some stout supporting roles from Michael Finley, Brent Barry, and lets not forget the old man that was very important in Houston's rings Robert Horry. If rings were a stat that says how dominant you are, Robert Horry is more dominant than MJ. That is just plain IGNORANT. Stats are where it is at. So Kevin Garnett is not dominant, Charles Barkley wasn't Dominant, or how about our own Tracy McGrady that has won the scoring title twice, he isn't and never was dominant either.

With that said, Duncan is VERY important in the Spurs game, but Yao has just as good numbers, problem is, we haven't had a solid true scorer when you get past Tracy and Yao. Yao is the real deal, just wait and see, we will get our wins with him under center as long as he stays healthy.

You are right on alot of points.

I just like to get the fire started.

We don't have a point guard to properly control the floor. All of the people you are talking about are excellent players ( I can't stand barkley btw) but, they are only dominant at there position and the role they are called to play. A true example of a dominate player is of course, Micheal Jordan. None of the people above have that ability. D-wade is a guy that can gaurd almost anyone, fearless enough to go straight at anyone. The only other guy I would put in that category is Kobe.

We will have to see what they can do with a new coach and Francis back ( he should not have been traded for a guy with a bad back in the first place). I still don't think we have the team to win a championship, but will be watching with you. And if i am wrong I will eat my share of humble pie.

But Houston teams still suck, except for the Soccer team.

[cogs69]

HAHA, the fire did get started. Francis sucks, always did. He can't even make the starting rotation on our new team and is already crying. His comments were if he doesn't make the starting rotation he has to "Do Something" and talked about how much money he gave up to come here. CANCER!!!! I'll take McGrady and his bad back over Francis any day. I was upset to see Mobely go though. And BTW IF we do good like I am counting on, it won't be humble pie, I'm going to make you CROW!!

[arturo3rd]

We don't have a point guard to properly control the floor. .

are you serious? have you not seen the way the game flows when alston is leading point? just because he isnt scoring 15pts a game doesnt me he isnt doing his job.

next time, look at what mike james and the other points run the offense. alston without a doubt is maestro.

[arturo3rd]

HAHA, the fire did get started. Francis sucks, always did. He can't even make the starting rotation on our new team and is already crying. His comments were if he doesn't make the starting rotation he has to "Do Something" and talked about how much money he gave up to come here. CANCER!!!! I'll take McGrady and his bad back over Francis any day. I was upset to see Mobely go though. And BTW IF we do good like I am counting on, it won't be humble pie, I'm going to make you CROW!!

link to the francis comments? i saw an article about francis not starting today on chron.com but didnt read where he said he gave up $$$.

[SugarDaddy]

best NBA player should go to Bob Sura... i mean come on, you have to be pretty damn great to get the money he did and only play sparingly for a year?????? Right???

[arturo3rd]

sura was great. too bad he got injured but when he was healthy he contributed alot

[cogs69]

link to the francis comments? i saw an article about francis not starting today on chron.com but didnt read where he said he gave up $$$.

"But not to be in the rotation, to me I don't think that's what I'm looking for," he said. "If that's the case, I'd have to do something."

Francis said he did not know what that something would be and had no plans to ask Adelman about where he fits in.

"I turned a lot of money down other places," he said. "But hopefully it will work out."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/5251305.html

[cogs69]

What happened to all that talk at the beginning about "TEAM" and whatever is the best for it? I bought into it saying maybe he has finally grown up. This interview shows me that is only if it meant he started. Now all of a sudden its a problem if he doesn't get in the rotation right away. Alston's streetball style just works for this new offense, sorry but i won't lose a wink of sleep if he disappears.

[SugarDaddy]

"But not to be in the rotation, to me I don't think that's what I'm looking for," he said. "If that's the case, I'd have to do something."

Francis said he did not know what that something would be and had no plans to ask Adelman about where he fits in.

"I turned a lot of money down other places," he said. "But hopefully it will work out."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/5251305.html

yeah they were talking about this earlier on 790 the Animal.... Stevie looks lost out there when i saw him in the preseason... idk whats gonna happen... but i know he wont stay quiet with too many DNP-CDs .

[typeoneunit0]

HAHA, the fire did get started. Francis sucks, always did. He can't even make the starting rotation on our new team and is already crying. His comments were if he doesn't make the starting rotation he has to "Do Something" and talked about how much money he gave up to come here. CANCER!!!! I'll take McGrady and his bad back over Francis any day. I was upset to see Mobely go though. And BTW IF we do good like I am counting on, it won't be humble pie, I'm going to make you CROW!!

Hahahhaha.....you have a deal.

[cogs69]

yeah they were talking about this earlier on 790 the Animal.... Stevie looks lost out there when i saw him in the preseason... idk whats gonna happen... but i know he wont stay quiet with too many DNP-CDs .

lol, I was really hoping he was legite with all that team talk. He really COULD be a huge asset to the team. He just thinks he is some superstar in his head. I think he has too many issues to help us out. Its a shame.

[SugarDaddy]

lol, I was really hoping he was legite with all that team talk. He really COULD be a huge asset to the team. He just thinks he is some superstar in his head. I think he has too many issues to help us out. Its a shame.

yeah he sounded like he was gonna work here 2nd time around... but now he isnt playing and he is already throwin a fit.... its gonna be like it was with JVG and Bonzi last year between these two i think.

[typeoneunit0]

I agree with you guys...it may take sometime for him to get back into the game as this is not the offense he left. He will have to get used to not being the number one option on the team. He might pick up the pace and get back on his game if not then we need to get rid of him and get someone that works.

[SugarDaddy]

nah, he will be like JR Rider... great player but just cant fit in anywhere... unless he is the only star, and then they lose and he pouts still.... oh wait, isnt that Kobe? LMAO

[cogs69]

lol right

[SugarDaddy]

well at least we can agree on basketball.... football no, but basketball yeah...lol

[cogs69]

well we can probably agree on baseball also, Astros SUCK!!! But we can save the heartache of talking about them will next season.

[arturo3rd]

damn, that sucks for francis. when he left here he was bitter saying he help build the rockets. i remember bill worrel blowing up on him saying that francis forgot about malone, murphy, rudyt, hakeem, etc making the rockets what they were and not to let the door hit him on the way out.

i figured he wouldnt fit but he had a good game against memphis (or at least in the double OT) during the preseason, so i thought his game was getting better.

[cogs69]

Yea but Skip and James have shown him up.

Don't forget though, even Adelman says it is going to take this team some time to get accustomed to the new style of play. So don't start flaming in the first quarter of the season if they take a while to get going.

[cogs69]

This is for you Kobe fans. Good reading.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7394204?MSNHPHMA

[arturo3rd]

This is for you Kobe fans. Good reading.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/7394204?MSNHPHMA

already knew that. best player in the world right now.

[cogs69]

Best SINGLE player in the world right now. One of the WORST "TEAM" players also.

[arturo3rd]

Best SINGLE player in the world right now. One of the WORST "TEAM" players also.
there is no TEAM in Kobe, lo

[cogs69]

Any of you hear all the crap in Kobe's contract? He has a no trade clause, not suprising, he has to approve trades. If the trade does go through, he gets 15% of the money involved. When he goes to the new team, he can request 70% of the contract up front before he even plays. And he says he wants to be traded to a contender so badly. Bull crap, all he wants is money. If he trully wanted to be traded, he would do away with all that stuff. Some people may not like Barkley, but I do remember, when he wanted to be traded to a contender, he took the league minimum to go to the Rockets. It didn't do any good, but still. The guy has made plenty of money, if he would come down to reality with his contract there probably wouldn't be any problem going to a team. No wonder Chicago called it off.

[arturo3rd]

kobe is smart on that side. he is a superstar and will use it to his advantage. why would he go to a small market team just because he wants out of LA? he wants a big market team (chicago, NY, houston, etc) where he can play with new people and train them to be his puppets like MJ had pippen and grant.

[cogs69]

Yea but he needs to cut down some of the criteria to do it. I agree with you, my point is, his contract demands are rediculous. He is unreasonable, which makes it almost impossible to move him. If he TRULY wants to move, he will knock some of that crap out.

[wever411]

Yea but he needs to cut down some of the criteria to do it. I agree with you, my point is, his contract demands are rediculous. He is unreasonable, which makes it almost impossible to move him. If he TRULY wants to move, he will knock some of that crap out.
that's what barkley was saying last night