Texans Thread...

[SugarDaddy]

ok...well make this the main Texans thread... all topics... from who's next... to what changes we shoud do....etc...

so...now that the Texans have come down from the 2-0 ranks... who is still on the bandwagon for Schaub?? i told everyone that he wasnt the answer... Carr couldve done the same job he has...now he sees what a beating Carr took and his results have been the same IMO!

[CubanGIXXER]

Well, actually, he hasnt taken anywhere near the beating that Carr took! I still think Shaub is better than Carr. Carr was a good QB but he got beat up too quick! and he became scared. Shaub isnt an "AWESOME" QB, but he scrambles and doesnt let himself get sacked much and makes some good decisions. I think the only downfall of Shaub is that his accuracy is on & off. but he has a strong throw and he can move. I trully believe that the only reason why we are 3-2 and not 4-1 maybe even 5-0 is because we lost our top 2 WR's and our RB to injuries.

[SugarDaddy]

Well, actually, he hasnt taken anywhere near the beating that Carr took! I still think Shaub is better than Carr. Carr was a good QB but he got beat up too quick! and he became scared. Shaub isnt an "AWESOME" QB, but he scrambles and doesnt let himself get sacked much and makes some good decisions. I think the only downfall of Shaub is that his accuracy is on & off. but he has a strong throw and he can move. I trully believe that the only reason why we are 3-2 and not 4-1 maybe even 5-0 is because we lost our top 2 WR's and our RB to injuries.

exactly... Carr took WAY too much of a beatdown too early... we still dont have the zone block scheme Kubs likes to run down, as we can see cuz the runnin game is semi non existent... until we get the front line set, we will not do better than 8-8 at best! IMO

[wever411]

it looks like the offensive line is a little better than before. Carr looked like he was getting sacked or hurried every single play. Even the best QB couldn't handle that. Or maybe they just respect schaub and didn't have any for carr :dontknow:

[cogs69]

You do know that Carr has gotten beat up over in Carolina also? His first outting he had like 3 sacks and a pick. Carr sucks. Schaub on the other hand, doesn't have his ace, that means no pro-bowlers, and is #4 in passing yards, #9 in passer rating, #4 in completion percentage, #3 in yds/attempt, and is in the middle of the pack on INT (5, romo has 9), and middle of the pack on TD. How is that bad? Granted, if he learns to throw a little more accurate because he does throw behind some, he will be compared to the greats.

[cogs69]

Schaub is in his first year as the ace on the team and is chasing Romo, Brady, Manning, and Farve in most of the stats. If that is the company he is keeping, how is that bad? And that is with a handful of terrible reads. I think the O line needs help. But it isn't as bad as Carr made it look, he already has 5 sacks in carolina and he has started what? 2 games?

[CubanGIXXER]

yeah, i agree ... i think our running game not very active. but if you look back at the first two games, we had alot more rushing yards, than Green got injured and didnt play in 3 & 4, came back in game 5 and they didnt run him a lot to make sure he didnt get re-injured. I think we'll see more running this sunday against the Titans

[CubanGIXXER]

Schaub is in his first year as the ace on the team and is chasing Romo, Brady, Manning, and Farve in most of the stats. If that is the company he is keeping, how is that bad? And that is with a handful of terrible reads. I think the O line needs help. But it isn't as bad as Carr made it look, he already has 5 sacks in carolina and he has started what? 2 games?

True that! Carr made the rest of the team look bad!

[arturo3rd]

i would take schaub over carr any time.


carr moved his feet too much and had tunnel vision for 11 or 2 receivers only. schaub looks very poised and seems to know who is open and where.

the running game is struggling and the defense needs to blitz more.

[cogs69]

I think you nailed it Gixxer, if we can get SOME running game going, we will be ok. Schaub is just going to get better, it takes time under the snap for that. His reads will get better, and he will learn how the receivers run the routes. But if we don't get a running game, we might as well pack our bags.

[arturo3rd]

i think we finish 9-7 this year

[cogs69]

I predicted 10-6 before the pre-season, and I am going to stick to it. I don't think it is that far fetched, we have an easy schedule. If everyone comes back and stays healthy of course. I think Andre would have made at least a one score difference in the previous games. BUT, Walters, Davis, and Johnson on line up now is going to be deadly. With all of them we arguably have one of the strongest receiver corps in the league.

[SugarDaddy]

dont get me wrong... i LIKE Schaub, but i dont see why everyone hates Carr... IMO, he got beat around early, lost confidence, but can still be a good QB given the right situation when he can excel.... now..back to the Texans...yes it sux we dont have our main weapons on offense out there...and the running game NEEDS to get going or else we may as well start looking at drafting early again. The D looks lost at times... we held Indy somewhat in check and then get totally demolished by Jones-Drew & Taylor?? they need an identity cuz i think we can all agree that Mario isnt it!

[wever411]

is johnson playing this week? I need to know whether to put andre davis for my fantasy team or not.

speaking of davis, damn him for trying too hard to score last week. He was already in, he didn't have to reach for it and get stripped. almost made me lose last week :banghead:

[arturo3rd]

dont get me wrong... i LIKE Schaub, but i dont see why everyone hates Carr... IMO, he got beat around early, lost confidence, but can still be a good QB given the right situation when he can excel.... now..back to the Texans...yes it sux we dont have our main weapons on offense out there...and the running game NEEDS to get going or else we may as well start looking at drafting early again. The D looks lost at times... we held Indy somewhat in check and then get totally demolished by Jones-Drew & Taylor?? they need an identity cuz i think we can all agree that Mario isnt it!

mario has never been it :banghead:

jones-drew has lit up other teams so its not like our defense wasnt adequate. jones-drew is a bad mofo IMO. he is doing in the NFL what reggie bush was doing in college.

[arturo3rd]

is johnson playing this week? I need to know whether to put andre davis for my fantasy team or not.

speaking of davis, damn him for trying too hard to score last week. He was already in, he didn't have to reach for it and get stripped. almost made me lose last week :banghead:

doubt it. i suffered the same injury he did (but a week prior playing rugby) and although im not a pro athlete and have dont great tainers like he does, my knee gets sore and tired after alot of use. i think they said two more weeks. he has a bruised PCL

[cogs69]

Yea don't count Andre in. I think everyone is too critical of Mario right now. Most people that don't follow football closely fall into the media's opinions too fast. A defensive lineman is one of the toughest positions to get used to. I heard one sports player say it was just as hard if not harder than the quarterback position. Bottom line is he is on our team, period. I still say if it came to him, VY, or Bush, we made the right choice. He may not be worth the #1 overall pick of that draft, but he was still a good pick up. I think everyone is expecting an immediate hall of famer. Julius Peppers did good the first year with 12 sacks in 12 games, but only had 7 his second year with 16 games. Give him time.

[arturo3rd]

Yea don't count Andre in. I think everyone is too critical of Mario right now. Most people that don't follow football closely fall into the media's opinions too fast. A defensive lineman is one of the toughest positions to get used to. I heard one sports player say it was just as hard if not harder than the quarterback position. Bottom line is he is on our team, period. I still say if it came to him, VY, or Bush, we made the right choice. He may not be worth the #1 overall pick of that draft, but he was still a good pick up. I think everyone is expecting an immediate hall of famer. Julius Peppers did good the first year with 12 sacks in 12 games, but only had 7 his second year with 16 games. Give him time.

but thats the thing, we had the number 1 pick and used it for him. he is a good player but more of 5-10th pick.

[CubanGIXXER]

Yea don't count Andre in. I think everyone is too critical of Mario right now. Most people that don't follow football closely fall into the media's opinions too fast. A defensive lineman is one of the toughest positions to get used to. I heard one sports player say it was just as hard if not harder than the quarterback position. Bottom line is he is on our team, period. I still say if it came to him, VY, or Bush, we made the right choice. He may not be worth the #1 overall pick of that draft, but he was still a good pick up. I think everyone is expecting an immediate hall of famer. Julius Peppers did good the first year with 12 sacks in 12 games, but only had 7 his second year with 16 games. Give him time.

yeah, i kinda agree with you ... now dont get me wrong, i dont think he is worth a #1 overall pick either, shit, i still think that we could have picked him up with our second round pick ... but anyways ... yeah, his name doesnt pop up as much as a #1 DP should be, but that doesnt mean he isnt doing his job. if you actually sit there and watch him play, he is a really good DL. he does his job, and where people are mistaken is that his job isnt to just get in there and sack the QB, his job is also to open up the opportunity for one of his team mates to sack the QB because they are too busy double teaming him, and to make it easier for the entire D-Line to make the QB hurry up and make a bad decision.

[wever411]

but thats the thing, we had the number 1 pick and used it for him. he is a good player but more of 5-10th pick.
:nod:

[cogs69]

I just didn't see any real sure cut #1s now that we can sit back and look at it. If you had a chance with hind sight, who would you have picked? I don't think there was a #1 pick that year. Bush and VY weren't worth it, I agree with 5-10 for williams, not second round by any means, but that is an opinion. Who else would there have been? Ryans would have been worth it, but he fell to 3rd round, think of it that way, we got a STEAL on Ryans, and overpaid Williams, its a wash. lol

[NoFear]

Texas Suck!

[cogs69]

lol

[paniro187]

but thats the thing, we had the number 1 pick and used it for him. he is a good player but more of 5-10th pick.

nah h'es a 2nd round pick or third or fourth. youi can pick u good defensive ends and linebackers in later rounds Not jsut later picks. I still say vy because he's just a flat out leader.

[cogs69]

nah h'es a 2nd round pick or third or fourth. youi can pick u good defensive ends and linebackers in later rounds Not jsut later picks. I still say vy because he's just a flat out leader.

Really? A leader? ok......I guess agree to disagree. He can't put up the numbers Carr did. He has 3 TDs and 6 INTs, people criticize Schaub about his 5 INTs with over 1500yds. Young has 703 yds in the air. Can you imagine how wasted our receiving corp talent would be? If it wasn't for Tennessee's defense they would be dead last in the league. I think everyone misinterprets their record. He is in no way a leader, he showed glimpses last season of being good, but defenses this year have adjusted for him. He has a passer rating of 68!!! VY won't be a quarterback in a couple years unless he drastically improves. Vick is not a great quarterback, not known for being able to throw the ball and got 2900+ yds his first full starting year with 16 TDs. Both the guys mentioned need to be receivers.

[SugarDaddy]

so...whats everyone's take on the team now?? still think Schaub is the answer we needed and we were smart to send the draft picks away for him??? IMO we couldve desperatley used those picks in this upcoming draft... we still need help all over... and we didnt fix any problems in FA obviously....

[CubanGIXXER]

I only caught the 4th quarter of the game, what happened to Shaub? I saw Rosefells in the game (and he played pretty damn good!)

[SugarDaddy]

Schaub got injured.... i think he is gonna be sittin on this week against the Chargers....

[CubanGIXXER]

Well, i read that him and A. johnson were lightly practicing, which is a good sign that they will make an appearance. We'll see. they might rotate him in or start him and then see how he holds up. hopefully A.J. will be ready soon too!

[cogs69]

I still think Schaub was the answer, remember, he doesn't even have a full season of starts under his belt. If you look, Carr has sucked it up in all his games over at Carolina. While I think our line needs work still, he was definetely a major factor in us losing all the time. We are a really lucky team with having two QBs capable of starting for our team and putting up good numbers. As Texans fans we are very impatient at the moment due to all the losing seasons we have had, but the team already looks better than any other season they have had, and the team has just recently been overhauled. As long as I see improvement each year I'm happy. I think once the D-line gets some experience, and we spend some good picks on the O-line, this team is really going to do some damage in the next couple years.

[SugarDaddy]

wow u r very optimistic..... thats cool... i guess im just not too impressed with the results so far with the offseason moves.

[CubanGIXXER]

I still think Schaub was the answer, remember, he doesn't even have a full season of starts under his belt. If you look, Carr has sucked it up in all his games over at Carolina. While I think our line needs work still, he was definetely a major factor in us losing all the time. We are a really lucky team with having two QBs capable of starting for our team and putting up good numbers. As Texans fans we are very impatient at the moment due to all the losing seasons we have had, but the team already looks better than any other season they have had, and the team has just recently been overhauled. As long as I see improvement each year I'm happy. I think once the D-line gets some experience, and we spend some good picks on the O-line, this team is really going to do some damage in the next couple years.

I agree with all of that!:nod:
Remember, no one here thinks Shaub is an outstanding QB, but he's good ... and most importantly ... he is much better than Carr! And Shaub is just growing right now, he can only get better!

[SugarDaddy]

:banghead::banghead:

[wever411]

I only caught the 4th quarter of the game, what happened to Shaub? I saw Rosefells in the game (and he played pretty damn good!)

Schaub got knocked the F*CK out. Some lineman just ran him over in the second quarter...he was a little slow getting up :nod:.

[CubanGIXXER]

Schaub got knocked the F*CK out. Some lineman just ran him over in the second quarter...he was a little slow getting up :nod:.

ahhh ... so they gave him a glimpse of what Carr felt like last season! :keke:

[wever411]

ahhh ... so they gave him a glimpse of what Carr felt like last season! :keke:
:nod: he looked like an old man getting up

[BoostJunky]

i'm really excited to have Schaub as quarterback, Carr was so overrated! Everytime i watched a game i wanted to claw my eyes out... I think we're gonna beat the Chargers, but it'll be a good game.... hopefully

[cogs69]

I definetely think we have a chance. Hell, we have had a chance in all the games so far. We are just lacking one or two play makers to put us over the edge. That, or one or two less turnovers.

[wever411]

is schaub playing this weekend? or is he still banged up?

[CubanGIXXER]

is schaub playing this weekend? or is he still banged up?

they havent said ... they just said that he lightly participated in practice.

[wever411]

AJ started practicing as well too

[SugarDaddy]

i think shcaub is out and AJ is gonna sit one more week....

[txferrari]

Booooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Texans back to their old selfs again.

[SugarDaddy]

so...who is STILL on the Schaub bandwagon now??? and who wants to bet that we end up wasting a draft pick again on a player we wont need.... we NEED a stud young RB. and some Oline men!!

[CubanGIXXER]

so...who is STILL on the Schaub bandwagon now??? and who wants to bet that we end up wasting a draft pick again on a player we wont need.... we NEED a stud young RB. and some Oline men!!

YUP! :nod:

I still dont think Shaub is a bad QB. But in the last few games, the O-Line has been playing like back in the day, and letting Shaub get hit and rushed too much. He hasn't been on his A-Game because he is hurt ... and playing hurt!

[txferrari]

Well, according to J Mcclain, their gonna get a safety in the draft.

[cogs69]

I'm still on the bandwagon, Schaub is a good QB. If you have noticed, all our OL issues flared up this year when Mckinney got hurt. Flannagan has sucked it up in pass blocking. I don't think we need a new RB. I like what I have seen from Echumundo or whatever his name is. I want to see more of him before we go for a RB on the draft. QB is not our position of concern, it is Center, RB if he isn't the real deal, and Secondary. The team has had their starting QB and head chief knocked out of the game early 2 weeks in a row, throw some nasty losses on that and of course the team's spirits are going to be down. Ahman Green has been hurt, our ace Andre Johnson, Kick returner Mathis, Jacoby was out, the Center is out, and the list goes on and on. Schaub is still the man, no doubt there. We just have depth issues.

[wever411]

depth is definitely not a strong point of the Texans, couple people injured leads to major sucking

[SugarDaddy]

depth is definitely not a strong point of the Texans, couple people injured leads to major sucking

which is why i still say we shouldve kept Carr and used our own damn picks.... now we have less picks and we are gettin the same results... yes Schaub is hurt, but DC was gettin knocked around like this too and he still played every game.... so why "waste" our picks that we need desperatley... and yes we need a safety, but hell we NEED everything... safety cant help our shitty Dline get to the opposing QB, and a safety cant break a 25yd run off and get in the endzone!

[cogs69]

If David Carr was still here, we would be 1-7 instead of 3-5. Without him being able to throw 2-3 yd passes to Andre, Carr wouldn't know how to pass the ball. At least Carr would have secured us the #1 or 2 pick again.

[SugarDaddy]

that was alll the offensive coordinator... he calls the plays..not the QB unless ur Peyton... so give me a break with that crap... and quick passes are all he called cuz the Oline couldnt even give carr time to throw a 3 step drop... so what do you expect? him to perform cris angel moves and levitate in the air to gain time in the pocket and throw 15+ yd completions??

[cogs69]

It is funny, Schaub can take 3 step drops, now if he doesn't release at that time, he is in trouble. The difference is, Carr takes 3 steps back and balls into the fetal position and cries. Oh wait, thats right, Carr went to a legitimate team where he can show his talent right, in fact, his starter Delhome got hurt, and he got the go, his stats are awesome, almost to a mediocre level, then he gets hurt (GETTING SACKED) and even when he comes back from being injured TESTAVERDE gets the start before him when Test doesn't even know the offense. Seems like we aren' the only team that realizes he sucks.

[SugarDaddy]

and we are where exactly with schaub? superbowl bound?? playoff contention??

[cogs69]

Again, injuries, Ahman Green, Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis, Steve Mckinney, Matt Schaub, Jacoby Jones, even Ron Dayne was hurt. At least Schaub is a step to the better. Carr sucks. Carr had Andre for every single game and couldn't get Schaub's numbers.

[SugarDaddy]

Again, injuries, Ahman Green, Andre Johnson, Jerome Mathis, Steve Mckinney, Matt Schaub, Jacoby Jones, even Ron Dayne was hurt. At least Schaub is a step to the better. Carr sucks. Carr had Andre for every single game and couldn't get Schaub's numbers.

:rofl::rofl: then how the heck did AJ have all those receiving yards?? all of them were him breaking a 2-3 yd dump all the way to the endzone? lol u guys just hate Carr for being a pretty boy just like Detroit hated Harrington... they were both put in bad situations and were set up for failure..... u can like schaub all you want, but i BET next year, you will be seeing it differently.:thumb:

[cogs69]

Andre Johnson in '05 avg. 10.9yds/catch with 2 TD for the year. In '06 he avg 11.1yds/catch with 5 TD for the year. In '07 with Schaub he avg 18.7yds/catch with 3 TDs in 2 games.

Randy Moss, 16.6yds/catch, Chad Johnson 16.6yds/catch, Braylon Edwards 18.1yds/catch, Reggie Wayne 15.2 yds/catch...... Do you need more stats? Point is, all those are the top recievers this year and AVERAGE 4-5 yds a catch more than what Carr gave Johnson. So the answer to your question is yes, he threw tons of short passes. And where did you get the "ALL THE WAY TO THE ENDZONE" from? He only had 7 TDs the last two years he played with Carr, he has 3 this year in only 2 games.

FYI, if you are going to debate, quit talking opinions and use facts.

[Fuzzy018]

Booooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Texans back to their old selfs again.

I'm with you man!:banghead:

F**ck-em!!! I Give Up!!!:banghead:

[SugarDaddy]

Andre Johnson in '05 avg. 10.9yds/catch with 2 TD for the year. In '06 he avg 11.1yds/catch with 5 TD for the year. In '07 with Schaub he avg 18.7yds/catch with 3 TDs in 2 games.

Randy Moss, 16.6yds/catch, Chad Johnson 16.6yds/catch, Braylon Edwards 18.1yds/catch, Reggie Wayne 15.2 yds/catch...... Do you need more stats? Point is, all those are the top recievers this year and AVERAGE 4-5 yds a catch more than what Carr gave Johnson. So the answer to your question is yes, he threw tons of short passes. And where did you get the "ALL THE WAY TO THE ENDZONE" from? He only had 7 TDs the last two years he played with Carr, he has 3 this year in only 2 games.

FYI, if you are going to debate, quit talking opinions and use facts.

will do... and the fact still remains that we are not a winning team with Schaub at the helm. so IMO...even if you dont like opinions, why would we send draft picks that we need desperately to help our depth if we are going to still have a crappy record and not even be a playoff contender??

[cogs69]

baby steps, while fans see we have been building since the first year, we had to start all over when we got Kubes, who thought he might be able to make Carr work, obviously that wasn't so, so he went and got a step up. It is like we are rebuilding all over when in reality we never finished building the team the first time. Schaub is a large step upwards. Both statistically and in my opinion, there are just so many other holes to fill with our injuries. If Andre Johnson and Mckinney were healthy, I think we would be at least .500 if not better, which would mean we WOULD be in running to possibly make the playoffs. But again, we have had way too many injuries to overcome. Then throw in a QB that is trying to get his career going as a starter and it is turning into a train wreck. Give it time, the team already looks better than it has since inception.

[wlgorman]

I thought we used #1 pick for Amobe? I could be wrong.

[SugarDaddy]

Andre Johnson in '05 avg. 10.9yds/catch with 2 TD for the year. In '06 he avg 11.1yds/catch with 5 TD for the year. In '07 with Schaub he avg 18.7yds/catch with 3 TDs in 2 games.

Randy Moss, 16.6yds/catch, Chad Johnson 16.6yds/catch, Braylon Edwards 18.1yds/catch, Reggie Wayne 15.2 yds/catch...... Do you need more stats? Point is, all those are the top recievers this year and AVERAGE 4-5 yds a catch more than what Carr gave Johnson. So the answer to your question is yes, he threw tons of short passes. And where did you get the "ALL THE WAY TO THE ENDZONE" from? He only had 7 TDs the last two years he played with Carr, he has 3 this year in only 2 games.

FYI, if you are going to debate, quit talking opinions and use facts.

ok, lets see how the last half of the season goes, cuz they have been looking HORRIBLE as of late on both sides of the ball...

[Gixxer Geezer]

they will get it together... :thumb:

[Swift E]

they will get it together... :thumb:

NEXT YEAR

[CubanGIXXER]

NEXT YEAR

HOPEFULLY!

[cogs69]

I thought we used #1 pick for Amobe? I could be wrong.

We didn't have the #1 pick this year. Amobi was our first round pick, #10 to be exact.

[Fuzzy018]

NEXT YEAR

THEY BETTER! IT'S GETTING REALLY SH**TY TO BE A TEXANS FAN!:banghead:

[SugarDaddy]

We didn't have the #1 pick this year. Amobi was our first round pick, #10 to be exact.

debate time since you love to hate with me...:keke: who would you have drafted here at #10 if not Amobi?

[CubanGIXXER]

i say we stop with the would have and could have's and talk about the future!

[cogs69]

To be honest, I don't keep up with College enough to follow it. And didn't even pay attention to the picks this year. I don't keep up with much outside the Houston teams.

But out of what I do know, I think the texans had a chance to trade up to #7 which I would have done to pick up Peterson, but I think we did with Okoye, the only other guy I saw worth taking at that point would be Lynch.

[cogs69]

haha, the future doesn't look so bright, hopefully they can turn it around and some people can get healthy. If not, the future is looking like another top 10 pick in next year's draft.

[SugarDaddy]

To be honest, I don't keep up with College enough to follow it. And didn't even pay attention to the picks this year. I don't keep up with much outside the Houston teams.

But out of what I do know, I think the texans had a chance to trade up to #7 which I would have done to pick up Peterson, but I think we did with Okoye, the only other guy I saw worth taking at that point would be Lynch.

:nod: dude i wanted Peterson so bad... he is killin it in Minny with lil of a team around him... he would have DEFINETLY helped us out in the ground game

[wever411]

he probably would've gotten hurt like everyone else

[SugarDaddy]

no way...he is a stud dude... and we didnt get him cuz they were worried about him being injury prone... but tell me, who is gonna be ROY on offense?

[SugarDaddy]

Schaubs out....Rosenfels is in... do we win or do we lose this game?

[wever411]

who are they playing?

[SugarDaddy]

OMG....u arent allowed in the sports section anymore wever! lol.. we play the Raiders....

[wever411]

i don't memorize the schedule, and was too lazy to check...:rofl:...that might be a close one :keke:, but the texans should win.

[cogs69]

I say the Texans win. If Joe can run the ball well we will win for sure. Their passing D is second to none, so Rosenfels will probably have 2 picks this game, but Oakland's offense is horrendous so we should be able to pull it out. I think this is a great matchup before the bye to at least get our spirits back before the last stretch of the season. I have a paper that I filled out all the wins and losses the day the schedule came out. I picked us to go 6-10 this year. So far every win and loss I picked has been right, and I have this one scratched as a win. Of course after preseason on a lunch bet I picked us to go 10-6. Guess that ain't happening, but my first prediction has been spot on. Too bad I didn't write down scores, i might have been rich.

[SugarDaddy]

2 ints by sage could turn into pick6's. then we would end up losing.... the Radier D upfront is tuff so i am not sure how much run game we will actually have...

[phoju]

i think to win this game we gotta throw it.. and get those short passes.. long passes for rosenfels = ints...

[txferrari]

Beat the Raiders, but lost Dante Robinson for the year.

[cogs69]

That right there could mean the season is messed up. Any team with a good QB should be able to put up good numbers against us now.

[SugarDaddy]

hamstring ripped from the bone?? fkn OUCH!

[wever411]

hamstring ripped from the bone?? fkn OUCH!
that sounds like it hurt

[SugarDaddy]

that sounds like it hurt

yep...and a torn ligament in the ACL they believe... see why we needed those damn draft picks we traded for Schaub?? damnit and he is hurt too....wtf!

[cogs69]

F*ck that, I wish we would have traded up for Peterson. My god he is a freak. And to think we had the option to but they were worried about him being too injury prone. I forgot what it is like to have a good RB on the team.

[SugarDaddy]

F*ck that, I wish we would have traded up for Peterson. My god he is a freak. And to think we had the option to but they were worried about him being too injury prone. I forgot what it is like to have a good RB on the team.

EXACTLY!!! i knew he was gonna be fkn awesome... i was wishin we wouldve went thru and traded up for him!! injury prone my ass... he had two injuries and one was a freak injury... man i beat we are kicking ourselves for passin on that trade proposal!

[wever411]

F*ck that, I wish we would have traded up for Peterson. My god he is a freak. And to think we had the option to but they were worried about him being too injury prone. I forgot what it is like to have a good RB on the team.
his last game was crazy. he alone ran for more yards and scored more points than some other teams. 286yds, 3 TDs :eek3:

[cogs69]

lol, Ron Dayne, our leading rusher didn't have that many for the season till the Oakland game.

[cogs69]

the texans are a great example of what injuries can do to a team.

Amen to that. I will say, they haven't done all that bad considering the list of injuries we have had. But it has made for a disappointing season so far.

[SugarDaddy]

ok ok.... i wont beat the QB dead horse issue anymore....

new one tho... WHY THE FK did we pay that kinda money for a 30 yr old ALREADY injured RB?

[Gixxer Geezer]

ok ok.... i wont beat the QB dead horse issue anymore....

new one tho... WHY THE FK did we pay that kinda money for a 30 yr old ALREADY injured RB?



cuz we stupid!

[SugarDaddy]

damn i wish i saw a light at the end of the tunnel... but with the decisions were doing...i just dont see it :banghead: :banghead:

[cogs69]

cuz we stupid!

I can second that one. Oh god where would we be if we had taken AP? I hate agreing with things Sugardaddy says on the Texans, but I can't help it on this one. We have a good record of signing players that WERE good and are now injured. Hopefully we can fix that this next offseason.

[cogs69]

At least 8-8 isn't too far fetched for the season if everyone comes back strong after the bye.

[SugarDaddy]

I can second that one. Oh god where would we be if we had taken AP? I hate agreing with things Sugardaddy says on the Texans, but I can't help it on this one. We have a good record of signing players that WERE good and are now injured. Hopefully we can fix that this next offseason.

:rofl::rofl:


it all started with the supplement draft and Tony Boseli...

[cogs69]

:rofl::rofl:


it all started with the supplement draft and Tony Boseli...

stop it :banghead: right again.

[SugarDaddy]

stop it :banghead: right again.

woo hoo..i wil convert you yet! :thumb:

but i think im startin to agree with u on Carr.... he wouldve been a great QBtho i still believe if he hadnt taken a pounding so early in his career

[cogs69]

woo hoo..i wil convert you yet! :thumb:

but i think im startin to agree with u on Carr.... he wouldve been a great QBtho i still believe if he hadnt taken a pounding so early in his career

Yea there is no way of knowing. But some turn out great, some don't. Look at Tom Brady, who would have thought the #199 pick would have turned out so great?

[SugarDaddy]

Yea there is no way of knowing. But some turn out great, some don't. Look at Tom Brady, who would have thought the #199 pick would have turned out so great?

yeah.... but i cant agree with sum saying he is this generations version of Joe Montana

[SugarDaddy]

im glad we have a bye this week... need a week to TRY to get healty!

[cogs69]

Think we could trade NE or Dallas for their teams? I would even throw in some twinkies!!!

[SugarDaddy]

Think we could trade NE or Dallas for their teams? I would even throw in some twinkies!!!

id even take Green Bay.... hell i will trade Super (Bust) Mario, Amobo Okoye, hell i'll throw in Christian Okoye (Nigerian Nitemare) and even Ahman Green and Sage Rosenfels to Minnisota for Adrian Peterson!

[cogs69]

id even take Green Bay.... hell i will trade Super (Bust) Mario, Amobo Okoye, hell i'll throw in Christian Okoye (Nigerian Nitemare) and even Ahman Green and Sage Rosenfels to Minnisota for Adrian Peterson!

When I started reading your thread, I was about to argue, but when I got to the end, I agreed. LOL. Mario is not a bust. Go compare him to the great DE in the league at their second years. I am so tired of hearing he is a bust. If he was, EVERY SINGLE team would not be double teaming him. He wouldn't have 4 sacks, 23 tackles, one pass deflection, and a touchdown even with all the double teams. It is really getting old on the whole Mario is a bust. Go compare his stats. He is well beyond where he should be in ONLY his 2nd year. And stats don't show how much he crushes the pocket causing the QB to scramble. You think Okoye would be able to get his sacks if Mario wasn't busting the pocket?

[CubanGIXXER]

When I started reading your thread, I was about to argue, but when I got to the end, I agreed. LOL. Mario is not a bust. Go compare him to the great DE in the league at their second years. I am so tired of hearing he is a bust. If he was, EVERY SINGLE team would not be double teaming him. He wouldn't have 4 sacks, 23 tackles, one pass deflection, and a touchdown even with all the double teams. It is really getting old on the whole Mario is a bust. Go compare his stats. He is well beyond where he should be in ONLY his 2nd year. And stats don't show how much he crushes the pocket causing the QB to scramble. You think Okoye would be able to get his sacks if Mario wasn't busting the pocket?

:nod: ... i agree ...

[cogs69]

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/g-sus1980/2007/11/10/Mario_Williams_to_blame_Gimme_a_break

[SugarDaddy]

When I started reading your thread, I was about to argue, but when I got to the end, I agreed. LOL. Mario is not a bust. Go compare him to the great DE in the league at their second years. I am so tired of hearing he is a bust. If he was, EVERY SINGLE team would not be double teaming him. He wouldn't have 4 sacks, 23 tackles, one pass deflection, and a touchdown even with all the double teams. It is really getting old on the whole Mario is a bust. Go compare his stats. He is well beyond where he should be in ONLY his 2nd year. And stats don't show how much he crushes the pocket causing the QB to scramble. You think Okoye would be able to get his sacks if Mario wasn't busting the pocket?

they dbl mario because he is the only decent D lineman we have....who else would they dbl? im waiting? LOL...i love these enlightening debates with you... :keke:

[cogs69]

they dbl mario because he is the only decent D lineman we have....who else would they dbl? im waiting? LOL...i love these enlightening debates with you... :keke:

Oh, so Okoye is crap too now? LOL, stick to basketball, your NFL ignorance shines too bright :rofl:

[SugarDaddy]

Oh, so Okoye is crap too now? LOL, stick to basketball, your NFL ignorance shines too bright :rofl:

:banghead:

ok.... he isnt crap.... but are we really a top rated Defense WITH them?? we need secondary help 1st! ok.. if you were running the show... how would you draft for a new team... cuz we cant count what Casserly did for us as setting us up....so this year (past) you're in charge... who do you sign via FA, how do you draft... who do you trade... NOT knowing what we have seen so far tho.... call it like u would have in the offseason...

we both agree that drafting Peterson wouldve been the right move.

[cogs69]

:banghead:

ok.... he isnt crap.... but are we really a top rated Defense WITH them?? we need secondary help 1st! ok.. if you were running the show... how would you draft for a new team... cuz we cant count what Casserly did for us as setting us up....so this year (past) you're in charge... who do you sign via FA, how do you draft... who do you trade... NOT knowing what we have seen so far tho.... call it like u would have in the offseason...

we both agree that drafting Peterson wouldve been the right move.

Well, figuring that everyone is healthy for the next year, including Dunta. I would sign a proven corner in the offseason. I think someone with a fire in him, maybe a little problematic. We need some more fire on defense, everyone is a "Nice Guy" With our first pick in the draft I would pick up a young stud running back. The draft should be deep this next year. We don't have a second round, so with the third/4th rounds I would pick up some offensive linemen.

I think with the QB and recievers we have now, plus a little upgrade at the line, and an upgrade in the secondary, we will be good to go.

[SugarDaddy]

Well, figuring that everyone is healthy for the next year, including Dunta. I would sign a proven corner in the offseason. I think someone with a fire in him, maybe a little problematic. We need some more fire on defense, everyone is a "Nice Guy" With our first pick in the draft I would pick up a young stud running back. The draft should be deep this next year. We don't have a second round, so with the third/4th rounds I would pick up some offensive linemen.

I think with the QB and recievers we have now, plus a little upgrade at the line, and an upgrade in the secondary, we will be good to go.

yeah but i was referring to this PAST years offseason.. you know...hind sight being 20/20 and all... correct on drafting a mean streaked corner or safety ( id prefer a hard hitting safety...something we never have had) in this years up coming draft.... but we DEFINTELY need to draft a STUD rb... and i pray adn hope they dont make a reach just because we need a young RB... who you have your eyes on? plz dont say Mike Hart or McFadden?

[cogs69]

yeah but i was referring to this PAST years offseason.. you know...hind sight being 20/20 and all... correct on drafting a mean streaked corner or safety ( id prefer a hard hitting safety...something we never have had) in this years up coming draft.... but we DEFINTELY need to draft a STUD rb... and i pray adn hope they dont make a reach just because we need a young RB... who you have your eyes on? plz dont say Mike Hart or McFadden?

My bad, Hind sight, I would have traded up for Peterson instead of Okoye, but I think they actually did pretty decent considering. Bennett looks like he is the real deal, which thank god we have him considering D-rob has gone down. I would really have liked to see them do more with the O-line, but it was good enough till McKinney and AJ got hurt. Its tough to say what I would have done because it is so hard to weigh in what we wouldn't have been able to get at the same time. I'm no pro, but I think a decen job has been done so far.

As in this year's draft, I don't have an eye out on any of them. Last year it was easy to watch Peterson and hope for him, but this year I don't have a for sure one to pick.

[SugarDaddy]

My bad, Hind sight, I would have traded up for Peterson instead of Okoye, but I think they actually did pretty decent considering. Bennett looks like he is the real deal, which thank god we have him considering D-rob has gone down. I would really have liked to see them do more with the O-line, but it was good enough till McKinney and AJ got hurt. Its tough to say what I would have done because it is so hard to weigh in what we wouldn't have been able to get at the same time. I'm no pro, but I think a decen job has been done so far.

As in this year's draft, I don't have an eye out on any of them. Last year it was easy to watch Peterson and hope for him, but this year I don't have a for sure one to pick.

yeah but to beat the ded horse... I STILL WOULDNT HAVE TRADED AWAY MY PICKS FOR SCHAUB!! lol... just IMO dude... yes i am a believer now that Carr is done for... he has lost his confidence and is gun shy and will not be the same... but we would have yanked him out for Sage who has a nice game for a journeyman...and we could have still won a few games and had our picks for thisyear... man i HOPE Duanta comes back... but the news hasnt been too good...

[cogs69]

yeah but to beat the ded horse... I STILL WOULDNT HAVE TRADED AWAY MY PICKS FOR SCHAUB!! lol... just IMO dude... yes i am a believer now that Carr is done for... he has lost his confidence and is gun shy and will not be the same... but we would have yanked him out for Sage who has a nice game for a journeyman...and we could have still won a few games and had our picks for thisyear... man i HOPE Duanta comes back... but the news hasnt been too good...

I hear you on Sage, I'm a firm believer in him also, but would you have wanted to pay Carr's salary as a backup? No matter what the reason which is disputable, Carr is washed up. I agree I would have liked to see Sage get his chance, but he hasn't for a reason. Now we have a strong QB no matter who starts. I'm worried that Dunta may not have the step he used to. Not everyone makes a full 100% recovery from these. I wouldn't count on him till at least next year.

[SugarDaddy]

as for carrs salary... its the same as what we are paying schaub now.... or they could have went to him and try to have him restructure for cap space...if he refused, cut him and go with Sage for the year ...u draft AP for the RB....and then if you do well you still look to upgrade your QB in free agency or if you do real bad you get a QB in THIS years draft... at least that is what im thinking COULD have been done...if only to save us the draft picks that we really really need!

[cogs69]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/12/bc.fbn.vikingspeterson.ap/index.html

They did say the reason Peterson didn't get considered was everyone was worried about him being injury prone. Guess this may mean something. :banghead:

[SugarDaddy]

come on now... u cant anticipate when a defender is gonna hit you in the knee with his helmet.... thats the case with AP...he even had said he wsa hit as he planted to make his cut... BUT...they reported he will not need surgery...good news for Minny... BUT i hope they dont try to rush him back...

[SugarDaddy]

looks like this Sunday we wil have Andre and Schaub back.... lets see what happens

[cogs69]

Did you see they reinstated Ricky Williams? I wish we would trade some of our RB for him. Maybe Green and Dayne. I know he is getting old, but so are those two guys, he has been playing in the canadian league, so he can't be that out of shape. Sure would be worth the gamble at this point. We are still in good enough position to possibly make a run at the playoffs. A possible playmaker like Ricky could just do the trick.

[SugarDaddy]

Did you see they reinstated Ricky Williams? I wish we would trade some of our RB for him. Maybe Green and Dayne. I know he is getting old, but so are those two guys, he has been playing in the canadian league, so he can't be that out of shape. Sure would be worth the gamble at this point. We are still in good enough position to possibly make a run at the playoffs. A possible playmaker like Ricky could just do the trick.

yeah but i doubt the Dolphins would take Green... we would have to send them Dayne whom i prefer to keep....but heck we arent doing much on the ground anyway...go ahead and take a chance on Ricky...him being a UT alum wouldnt hurt, but his image is a lil tarnished by his lack of desire to play at times

[cogs69]

yeah but i doubt the Dolphins would take Green... we would have to send them Dayne whom i prefer to keep....but heck we arent doing much on the ground anyway...go ahead and take a chance on Ricky...him being a UT alum wouldnt hurt, but his image is a lil tarnished by his lack of desire to play at times

I haven't seen a lack of desire to play. He has always wanted to play. It is a lack of desire to put down the whacky. Which I don't have a problem with him. We need some kind of fire on this team. We need some edgy players with an attitude or character. We have the nicest team in the league. Even when TJ got cut at the knees we apologized for his taunting. :gesture: Weak.

[SugarDaddy]

I haven't seen a lack of desire to play. He has always wanted to play. It is a lack of desire to put down the whacky. Which I don't have a problem with him. We need some kind of fire on this team. We need some edgy players with an attitude or character. We have the nicest team in the league. Even when TJ got cut at the knees we apologized for his taunting. :gesture: Weak.

i dont see him as being the type of attitude we need..he isnt a vocal leader...nvr has been...come on man..ur the fact guy for football...u know this already...he isnt that guy... but i would like to see him back in TX that is for sure!

[cogs69]

i dont see him as being the type of attitude we need..he isnt a vocal leader...nvr has been...come on man..ur the fact guy for football...u know this already...he isnt that guy... but i would like to see him back in TX that is for sure!

i'm not saying he is the vocal guy, i'm saying we need characters, so what if he smokes pot, how about a corner that is mouthy and media hungry, how about a chad johnson or a steve smith, a Randy Moss, etc. I want to see some characters on this team. Fire it up. I'm tired of all the do good charity guys that can't even take up for their quarterback when he gets a cheap shot. I want to see a mixture. Bad guys seem to have a fire under them that makes them tick.

[SugarDaddy]

i'm not saying he is the vocal guy, i'm saying we need characters, so what if he smokes pot, how about a corner that is mouthy and media hungry, how about a chad johnson or a steve smith, a Randy Moss, etc. I want to see some characters on this team. Fire it up. I'm tired of all the do good charity guys that can't even take up for their quarterback when he gets a cheap shot. I want to see a mixture. Bad guys seem to have a fire under them that makes them tick.

only fire Ricky has is the one he uses to light up! :keke:

[cogs69]

lol

[wever411]

only fire Ricky has is the one he uses to light up! :keke:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[wever411]

yeah, we need a Ray Lewis type to hype up the players. They just don't seem motivated.

[cogs69]

If i'm not mistaken, the commentators said this is the first time at this point in the season that we have ever been at .500. I have to say welcome back Andre Johnson. Wow he definetely makes a difference. Even Dayne found running room with Johnson out there. It was nice to see him have a big game again also. Exciting to see how the rest of the season is going to pan out. Maybe we can make a run for it?

[CubanGIXXER]

If i'm not mistaken, the commentators said this is the first time at this point in the season that we have ever been at .500. I have to say welcome back Andre Johnson. Wow he definetely makes a difference. Even Dayne found running room with Johnson out there. It was nice to see him have a big game again also. Exciting to see how the rest of the season is going to pan out. Maybe we can make a run for it?

:nod: yup! A.J. is definitely a difference maker!!! thats why I believe that if he would not have gotten injured, that we would be 7-3 instead of 5-5 ... but hey, as long as we keep doing better than the previous year ... I'm happy!:rofl:

[cogs69]

:nod: yup! A.J. is definitely a difference maker!!! thats why I believe that if he would not have gotten injured, that we would be 7-3 instead of 5-5 ... but hey, as long as we keep doing better than the previous year ... I'm happy!:rofl:

Right, and to think we have a relatively young team. Couple new young players, secondary, and RB, and we are going to be strong for many years to come. This was really a refreshing game.

[txferrari]

Exactly. If the Texans can stay healthy, they will be a playoff team for sure. Maybe this year if things work out right. If not, next year we have tons of cap room so the offseason should be busy.

[SugarDaddy]

Exactly. If the Texans can stay healthy, they will be a playoff team for sure. Maybe this year if things work out right. If not, next year we have tons of cap room so the offseason should be busy.

as long as we use the cap space WISELY!!! i hate you Ahman Green! heard on the animal that they may just cut him this offseason... but IMP they shouldnt have signed a 30+ yr old RB WHO WAS ALREADY INJURED!! dumb move!

[CubanGIXXER]

I agree ... I think we should cut him this off-season and work on strengthening what we have! and teaching the o-line how to make a gap that a cripple could run through!

[SugarDaddy]

yeah we need a mean O line... and a stud RB would be great... who is available this offseason via FA?

[cogs69]

yeah we need a mean O line... and a stud RB would be great... who is available this offseason via FA?

I think Barber is, but i'm not convinced he is all that great. Hard to say with Dallas' line. Kinda like James of IND when he went to Ariz.

[SugarDaddy]

I think Barber is, but i'm not convinced he is all that great. Hard to say with Dallas' line. Kinda like James of IND when he went to Ariz.

Marion Barber wont hit FA, Dallas will tie him up i bet...i dont think they are sold on JJ over there!

[SugarDaddy]

on a side note cogs...im really startin to be a believer now in the Schaub trade.... but man o man, i STILL wish we had a 2nd round draft pick this year....

[cogs69]

on a side note cogs...im really startin to be a believer now in the Schaub trade.... but man o man, i STILL wish we had a 2nd round draft pick this year....

that is cool you are at least seeing the light with that guy. I noticed this last week his throws were a little better on the timing. Especially with the deep bomb. Early in the season Johnson and them had to wait a little for the throws. Johnson was able to catch that TD in stride and burn the defenders. I think this guy is going to be great before it is all said and done. But I do agree, a 2nd round pick this year would be nice. But, can't have a great team without a great QB unless you are Tennessee. haha.

[SugarDaddy]

that is cool you are at least seeing the light with that guy. I noticed this last week his throws were a little better on the timing. Especially with the deep bomb. Early in the season Johnson and them had to wait a little for the throws. Johnson was able to catch that TD in stride and burn the defenders. I think this guy is going to be great before it is all said and done. But I do agree, a 2nd round pick this year would be nice. But, can't have a great team without a great QB unless you are Tennessee. haha.

:thumb:

[BoostJunky]

I went to the game on Sunday! What an awesome game!!!! Go TEXANS!

[SugarDaddy]

I went to the game on Sunday! What an awesome game!!!! Go TEXANS!

Lucky!

[SugarDaddy]

ok...WTF!! we looked HORRIBLE today against the WORST defense IN THE LEAGUE!! Schaub looked good early then all of a sudden was throwing bad choice passes... and 2 INTS? i know ima here Cogs come in and defend his boy Schaub but idk how he can in this case!! And wtf was our D coordinator doing all day??? sleeping? we ran the same D plays nearly the whole day!! NO QB pressure at all!! OMG i hate to say but i just may have to become a fkn Cowboys fan ....and i FKN HATE HATE HATE THE COWBOYS!!!

[txferrari]

Yep, sloppy game. AJ was a no show. They didnt really play with any passion today. Oh well, just a game.

[SugarDaddy]

Yep, sloppy game. AJ was a no show. They didnt really play with any passion today. Oh well, just a game.

i cant agree with you on AJ being a no show... they only threw the ball his way 4-5 times... wth kind of play calling is that?

[txferrari]

i cant agree with you on AJ being a no show... they only threw the ball his way 4-5 times... wth kind of play calling is that?

Still a no show. Either way. He should of called for the ball. The whole scheme was horrible.

[SugarDaddy]

eh...ok? anyways, the O scheme should change a bit now that Mike Sherman is leaving to A&M....

[cogs69]

ok...WTF!! we looked HORRIBLE today against the WORST defense IN THE LEAGUE!! Schaub looked good early then all of a sudden was throwing bad choice passes... and 2 INTS? i know ima here Cogs come in and defend his boy Schaub but idk how he can in this case!! And wtf was our D coordinator doing all day??? sleeping? we ran the same D plays nearly the whole day!! NO QB pressure at all!! OMG i hate to say but i just may have to become a fkn Cowboys fan ....and i FKN HATE HATE HATE THE COWBOYS!!!

I still have to defend Schaub. He did look bad, do remember this is his first year of starting QB. You defended Carr up till about 3-4 weeks ago and look at the numbers he puts up with the #1 reciever in the league on his team. I honestly think our coaching sucks a$$. The defensive coordinator has sucked all year long. We need more fire on defense, more pressure like blitzes, and I think Kubiak has his hands in the offensive calling too much. I think the play calling may have something to do with Schaub playing bad. I may be wrong, but I haven't agreed with a LOT of the plays this year. I dunno, so what we doing with our top 10 first pick this year? LOL.

[SugarDaddy]

I still have to defend Schaub. He did look bad, do remember this is his first year of starting QB. You defended Carr up till about 3-4 weeks ago and look at the numbers he puts up with the #1 reciever in the league on his team. I honestly think our coaching sucks a$$. The defensive coordinator has sucked all year long. We need more fire on defense, more pressure like blitzes, and I think Kubiak has his hands in the offensive calling too much. I think the play calling may have something to do with Schaub playing bad. I may be wrong, but I haven't agreed with a LOT of the plays this year. I dunno, so what we doing with our top 10 first pick this year? LOL.

dude we finally agree on this... the play calling has fkn sucked!! Robert Smith (D coordinator for those who dont know) is horrible... he is running plays as if we are stuck in preseason!! And the O plays, why are we trying to run the ball so much when we alredy know we dont have a run game? is running into a brick wall just to do it worth anything? Hey Kubiak, THIS ISNT DENVER!!

[cogs69]

dude we finally agree on this... the play calling has fkn sucked!! Robert Smith (D coordinator for those who dont know) is horrible... he is running plays as if we are stuck in preseason!! And the O plays, why are we trying to run the ball so much when we alredy know we dont have a run game? is running into a brick wall just to do it worth anything? Hey Kubiak, THIS ISNT DENVER!!

tru dat. I also don't like that Joe isn't getting more carries. If our running game sucks so much, give the fans what they want and try to let that speed demon make some plays. Oh well, this year is toast. Watch, they will lose the next 3 games then win the last two just like last year and come up one game shy of the playoffs.

[SugarDaddy]

idk dude... i honestly only see us winning againt the Titans and maybe the Broncos... Tampa Bay's D is gonna kill us if we continue to run the same stupid plays.... and the last 2 games are againts Indy (no way we win it again like last year, alltho we looked good against them early this year again) and Jacksonville... (uh, do u remember how Barry Sanders, er i mean Maurice Jones-Drew SHREDDED our D and made us look like a pop warner league D?

[cogs69]

idk dude... i honestly only see us winning againt the Titans and maybe the Broncos... Tampa Bay's D is gonna kill us if we continue to run the same stupid plays.... and the last 2 games are againts Indy (no way we win it again like last year, alltho we looked good against them early this year again) and Jacksonville... (uh, do u remember how Barry Sanders, er i mean Maurice Jones-Drew SHREDDED our D and made us look like a pop warner league D?

Yea, but the team comes together and plays great WHEN IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. lol, next year anyone? Never know though, IF they pull their heads out of wherever they are, we still have a chance being three of the last games are division. But I highly doubt it.

[SugarDaddy]

Yea, but the team comes together and plays great WHEN IT DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. lol, next year anyone? Never know though, IF they pull their heads out of wherever they are, we still have a chance being three of the last games are division. But I highly doubt it.

so...who we drafting this year?? lol... i dont see a Stud RB being there for us.... hell we may have to draft a young QB only due to the fact that this year so many may come out in this draft...

[Gixxer Geezer]

good thing i was drunk watching this game.. otherwise i couldnt have been able to stand it.... stunk that bad...

[cogs69]

so...who we drafting this year?? lol... i dont see a Stud RB being there for us.... hell we may have to draft a young QB only due to the fact that this year so many may come out in this draft...

I think they were talking about either a RB or a corner. Its hard to say without a second round pick. I'm sure they don't want to go ANOTHER year getting criticized for taking a defensive player in the first round, but it may be the best choice. I just don't know who on either that or the RB. I say throw names in a hat and pick one.

[SugarDaddy]

I think they were talking about either a RB or a corner. Its hard to say without a second round pick. I'm sure they don't want to go ANOTHER year getting criticized for taking a defensive player in the first round, but it may be the best choice. I just don't know who on either that or the RB. I say throw names in a hat and pick one.

yeah...still to early to think about who to get... maybe we can convince Al Davis to trade us a few picks for Ahman Green...lol.. he may be the only owner dumb enough to allow us to pull that one off!

[Tricki]

Do you guys think our QB gets enough protection? I don't! If Schaub or even Carr would be studs if they had the time to read the defense, make decisions, and throw like ...let's say Romo or Brady. My gosh....Romo has time to step back, tie his shoes, and then throw the ball down field! An offense is only as good as thier Off-line. Same goes for a RB ... take a look back when Emmit Smith played...I think he was a decent back but he had an awesome line which made him look great. I could drive a 18 wheeler through those holes he had! Bottom line...a great Off. line makes any QB, receiver, & rb great great results!

[Apexn]

+56789098767890-098765432

[cogs69]

Do you guys think our QB gets enough protection? I don't! If Schaub or even Carr would be studs if they had the time to read the defense, make decisions, and throw like ...let's say Romo or Brady. My gosh....Romo has time to step back, tie his shoes, and then throw the ball down field! An offense is only as good as thier Off-line. Same goes for a RB ... take a look back when Emmit Smith played...I think he was a decent back but he had an awesome line which made him look great. I could drive a 18 wheeler through those holes he had! Bottom line...a great Off. line makes any QB, receiver, & rb great great results!

I agree 100% with everything but what is in bold. How come Delhome could play so good behind that line and Carr can't even put up the numbers he had here with the best WR in the league? But other than that, I couldn't agree more. Our line needs help. Guess it would help also if we didn't have so many injuries. We protected him so much better before Mckinney got hurt. Been down hill since then. I think I heard this morning that White is out for the season. AND Weary.

[SugarDaddy]

^^ i knew that was coming... but anyways... Schaub looks like he will never be injury free... yes i know that was a bad tackle he took for the shoulder injury, our O line still needs work.... always has..

[cogs69]

^^ i knew that was coming... but anyways... Schaub looks like he will never be injury free... yes i know that was a bad tackle he took for the shoulder injury, our O line still needs work.... always has..

Can't agree more. I'm starting to wonder myself if he just isn't fragile? :/: I sure hope not, he has lots of talent to unleash. But if you can't stay healthy, what good are ya? Hate to admit it, but you may end up being right about him not being worth a draft pick. But I still don't think we would have 5 wins with Carr under the gun. Maybe with Rosenfels.

[SugarDaddy]

Can't agree more. I'm starting to wonder myself if he just isn't fragile? :/: I sure hope not, he has lots of talent to unleash. But if you can't stay healthy, what good are ya? Hate to admit it, but you may end up being right about him not being worth a draft pick. But I still don't think we would have 5 wins with Carr under the gun. Maybe with Rosenfels.

:thumb: exactly....we should have just went with Sage (who is adamn good QB when giving the proper week with the 1st team in practice) and kept our picks...we sure as hell look like were gonna need them... i haet to say, but i think next year we take a step back... only cuz we are thin at RB stil...and Duanta wont even be back next year either... so we could use every damn pick we can get to add some quality depth! our front office must be run by fkn fantasy owners or something!

[cogs69]

:thumb: exactly....we should have just went with Sage (who is adamn good QB when giving the proper week with the 1st team in practice) and kept our picks...we sure as hell look like were gonna need them... i haet to say, but i think next year we take a step back... only cuz we are thin at RB stil...and Duanta wont even be back next year either... so we could use every damn pick we can get to add some quality depth! our front office must be run by fkn fantasy owners or something!

I was voting for Sage to get the start from back in our 3rd season. He has always had my vote. But I do like the fact that no matter who starts, we don't miss a beat. Dunta is 50/50 for next year. From what they say, he is capable, but it is different for each guy. As hard as he works, i wouldn't be suprised to see him early next year. I will say though, Bennett and Hutchins have really done a great job. Without the O'line we so desperately need, (with spencer, mckinney, white, and weary) out, I think Rosenfels may have been hurt already also. That means Carr would have been our backup, and you know how i feel about that one. So it is bittersweet. I wouldn't be suprised if we do take a step back like you say. I think Oline is still our number one concern. We have some good young talent in Adimchinobi, and taylor for RB, so I still think we go all O-line this next draft.

[txferrari]

Nothing wrong with Rosenfels. Guy is a stud.

[SugarDaddy]

I was voting for Sage to get the start from back in our 3rd season. He has always had my vote. But I do like the fact that no matter who starts, we don't miss a beat. Dunta is 50/50 for next year. From what they say, he is capable, but it is different for each guy. As hard as he works, i wouldn't be suprised to see him early next year. I will say though, Bennett and Hutchins have really done a great job. Without the O'line we so desperately need, (with spencer, mckinney, white, and weary) out, I think Rosenfels may have been hurt already also. That means Carr would have been our backup, and you know how i feel about that one. So it is bittersweet. I wouldn't be suprised if we do take a step back like you say. I think Oline is still our number one concern. We have some good young talent in Adimchinobi, and taylor for RB, so I still think we go all O-line this next draft.

wont happen... tickets sell... and to sell tickets you need a big name... so we either have to draft one or TRY to make a better FA signing of one... maybe the Texans can steal Fanaeca away from Pitsburgh, he is a FA this offseason.... we need a nasty streaked Oline guy!

[cogs69]

wont happen... tickets sell... and to sell tickets you need a big name... so we either have to draft one or TRY to make a better FA signing of one... maybe the Texans can steal Fanaeca away from Pitsburgh, he is a FA this offseason.... we need a nasty streaked Oline guy!

I just don't see a true ticket seller coming into the draft this year. Some decent players, but no standouts like Peterson (which we could have traded up for last year). And I think it depends where we land in the picks. Fanaeca would be great, but he will be another Bruener for us, he'll get hurt early on and never play again. Or like Spencer, lol. Just our luck.:gesture:

[SugarDaddy]

as it stands now.. we'd be picking at #11....BUT, i honestly dont see us winning another game this year... tampa is pretty good....the Jags...they always give us fits... Indy is gonna be playing to win the division so i dont see us beating them like last year and Denver...well, maybe one more win...lol

[cogs69]

as it stands now.. we'd be picking at #11....BUT, i honestly dont see us winning another game this year... tampa is pretty good....the Jags...they always give us fits... Indy is gonna be playing to win the division so i dont see us beating them like last year and Denver...well, maybe one more win...lol

haha yea, watch though, we'll lose to Tampa and Denver, and beat Jacksonville and Tennesse and miss the playoffs by one game. Just enough games to knock us down to no mans land in the draft, and just shy of getting us into the playoffs. The perfect sorry season. :keke:

[arturo3rd]

RIP 07-08 season

[CubanGIXXER]

RIP 07-08 season

:nod::nod::nod:
:angry7::angry7::angry7:

[Fuzzy018]

RIP indeed:crying:

Man I though we had it this year:banghead::banghead::banghead:

[SugarDaddy]

im going to officially throw my name in the hat for the Next Texans GM... and just for you cogs, i will look to re-aquire Carr! :rofl: :rofl:

[cogs69]

im going to officially throw my name in the hat for the Next Texans GM... and just for you cogs, i will look to re-aquire Carr! :rofl: :rofl:

haha, if you said Rockets, i might could see it, but not for the Texans. LOL, you would trade Mario for Carr and think you made the greatest move in the world. :keke:

[SugarDaddy]

haha, if you said Rockets, i might could see it, but not for the Texans. LOL, you would trade Mario for Carr and think you made the greatest move in the world. :keke:

no....i told you.. i would call AL Davis and try to convinve him to take Ahman Green and Petey ***gins for their #1 draft pick... i say we move up this year and try to get McFadden!!

[txferrari]

RIP 07-08 season

id have to agree

[txferrari]

Not a bad game they played. Im impressed with Mario. He's manned up this year. They have to win out and hope for some luck to get the playoffs, but anything is possible. Not likely of course, but possible.

[SugarDaddy]

now im totally convinced we shouldve cut Carr...and KEPT OUR PICKS instead of giving them to ATL for Schaub and we couldve won with Sage!!

[SPYDER BITE]

do you know the difference between a yankee and a texan?






























a yankee walks up and puts it in:

















a Texan puts it in and walks up:rofl:

[cogs69]

now im totally convinced we shouldve cut Carr...and KEPT OUR PICKS instead of giving them to ATL for Schaub and we couldve won with Sage!!

Yea I was a Sage fan all along. I was yelling that back before Schaub was even an option. But had Sage gotten hurt this year like Schaub did from all the beatings we let the QB get, what would we have had as a backup? Sage played a solid game. He is always good for 2 or more turnovers, but I can honestly say I think only one was his fault this game. It just makes me even madder to know the team can step it up and win like this, but don't. :banghead:

[SugarDaddy]

where the heckis cogs...? lol they looked REAL good last nite huh? Man...talk about QB controversy... Sage looks more comfortable runnin the O than Schaub....granted Schaub is alwas gettin hurt...which may be another topic.... and man, looks like im gonna have to eat crow for calling Super Mario a bust.....dude is tearing it up.... granted he looks WAY more motivated now than when i called him a bust... they look good for next year if we can get the right secondary help and a Stud RB!

[CubanGIXXER]

where the heckis cogs...? lol they looked REAL good last nite huh? Man...talk about QB controversy... Sage looks more comfortable runnin the O than Schaub....granted Schaub is alwas gettin hurt...which may be another topic.... and man, looks like im gonna have to eat crow for calling Super Mario a bust.....dude is tearing it up.... granted he looks WAY more motivated now than when i called him a bust... they look good for next year if we can get the right secondary help and a Stud RB!

I agree with Mario ... even though, I have always said that he gets picked on a little too much because most people arent looking at him on every play, it does look like he has stepped up his game!
We definately need to find ourselves a bad ass RB ... all though Dane has been stepping it up a lot lately as well ... even though he is more of a FB, he has been making some cuts and finding his way around traffic a lot better in the last 2-3 games.
As for next year, they need to drink their milk and take their vitamins! if they stay healthy, even with who we have right now, we can make it pretty far!

[SugarDaddy]

I agree with Mario ... even though, I have always said that he gets picked on a little too much because most people arent looking at him on every play, it does look like he has stepped up his game!
We definately need to find ourselves a bad ass RB ... all though Dane has been stepping it up a lot lately as well ... even though he is more of a FB, he has been making some cuts and finding his way around traffic a lot better in the last 2-3 games.
As for next year, they need to drink their milk and take their vitamins! if they stay healthy, even with who we have right now, we can make it pretty far!

sorry to disagree... but no we wont... true we need to stay healty...but without a break away RB to keep the opposing D honest..we wont go that far... and without some MAJOR help at safety and CB we will keep getting killed thru the air by the better QB ran teams

[CubanGIXXER]

sorry to disagree... but no we wont... true we need to stay healty...but without a break away RB to keep the opposing D honest..we wont go that far... and without some MAJOR help at safety and CB we will keep getting killed thru the air by the better QB ran teams

i dont know why, but it seemed like our secondary went down hill this year. they started off pretty damn good ... and every game they just declined. but we do have some pretty good talent on D - C C Brown and ***gins know how to handle their business.
And dont get me wrong, I'm wasn't saying that we dont need any help ... I was just saying that in general (if all healthy) the team we have is a pretty good team ... but there is definitely some room for improvement (regarding the RB, OL, and secondary D)

[SugarDaddy]

yeah i got ya... the secondary went downhill when Duanta went down.... and he wont be back soon...another year out i think... so we rly need help back there in this draft for sure....

[CubanGIXXER]

yeah i got ya... the secondary went downhill when Duanta went down.... and he wont be back soon...another year out i think... so we rly need help back there in this draft for sure....

:nod:

[cogs69]

yeah i got ya... the secondary went downhill when Duanta went down.... and he wont be back soon...another year out i think... so we rly need help back there in this draft for sure....

ok guys i'm here, late, but here. I have been packing for moving this weekend so my time on the net has been hurt some.

What the hell are you talking about? did you not see the secondary this game? Yea they did horrible, we got beat so much. Cutler threw for how many touchdowns? I think they did great. If we waste a good pick on a DB i'm going to scream. When Dunta comes back, we will have arguably the #1 secondary in the league. Bennett is stout. Ok, now for Mario, I TOLD YOU SO.....lol. In the draft we need OL. Period. Darius Walker is fast, with a good line he just might be the guy we need already. He can catch, and he can hit the outside which is something we haven't had since the Davis/Williams days. Now for the QB, man Rosenfels has made it tough. I still think Schaub talent wise is the future of this club, but I question his ability to stay healthy. He seems fragile. Rosenfels is making things really hard. First off, we are in the same situation financially as we were with Carr. IF you are paying Schaub this much money, management isn't going to put him on the bench. Rosenfels only has one more year on his contract. Either we decide he is the man, or we trade him THIS offseason so that we can get some talent in return. Philidelphia, Atlanta, and a couple other teams will be foaming at the mouth for him. Ok, I wrote enough. Peace homies.

[SugarDaddy]

ok guys i'm here, late, but here. I have been packing for moving this weekend so my time on the net has been hurt some.

What the hell are you talking about? did you not see the secondary this game? Yea they did horrible, we got beat so much. Cutler threw for how many touchdowns? I think they did great. If we waste a good pick on a DB i'm going to scream. When Dunta comes back, we will have arguably the #1 secondary in the league. Bennett is stout. Ok, now for Mario, I TOLD YOU SO.....lol. In the draft we need OL. Period. Darius Walker is fast, with a good line he just might be the guy we need already. He can catch, and he can hit the outside which is something we haven't had since the Davis/Williams days. Now for the QB, man Rosenfels has made it tough. I still think Schaub talent wise is the future of this club, but I question his ability to stay healthy. He seems fragile. Rosenfels is making things really hard. First off, we are in the same situation financially as we were with Carr. IF you are paying Schaub this much money, management isn't going to put him on the bench. Rosenfels only has one more year on his contract. Either we decide he is the man, or we trade him THIS offseason so that we can get some talent in return. Philidelphia, Atlanta, and a couple other teams will be foaming at the mouth for him. Ok, I wrote enough. Peace homies.

:rofl: come on dude...u know we need a safety back there... a hard hitting young safety... and wouldnt it be sick if we traded Sage to ATL....lol...maybe we can just give Schaub back to them for our draft picks back...ill take that! and yes...YOU TOLD ME SO! :thumb:

[cogs69]

:rofl: come on dude...u know we need a safety back there... a hard hitting young safety... and wouldnt it be sick if we traded Sage to ATL....lol...maybe we can just give Schaub back to them for our draft picks back...ill take that! and yes...YOU TOLD ME SO! :thumb:

Demps looked good this last game, I hope he keeps it up. But yea, one more good safety would be nice, I just don't think a draft pick on one is the right idea. We need OL. All the good ones are rare and no team is willing to let one go. So the draft is the main source. If we really want to pick up a good safety we should trade for him.

And yea, ATL trading back for Schaub would be priceless.

[SugarDaddy]

Demps looked good this last game, I hope he keeps it up. But yea, one more good safety would be nice, I just don't think a draft pick on one is the right idea. We need OL. All the good ones are rare and no team is willing to let one go. So the draft is the main source. If we really want to pick up a good safety we should trade for him.

And yea, ATL trading back for Schaub would be priceless.

yeah demps looked real good...ive always liked him...and Bennet is really puttin work in...he looks great... i wouldnt use a high pick on one....but with our picks u have to tak best player avail IMO.... we need to stock pile some young OL for sure....we got hurt majorly this year on that front

[CubanGIXXER]

:rofl: come on dude...u know we need a safety back there... a hard hitting young safety... and wouldnt it be sick if we traded Sage to ATL....lol...maybe we can just give Schaub back to them for our draft picks back...ill take that! and yes...YOU TOLD ME SO! :thumb:

lol ... yeah, I'd like to return this ... i believe it was defective! Just put it back on my Draft master card! :keke::rofl::keke:

[SugarDaddy]

lol ... yeah, I'd like to return this ... i believe it was defective! Just put it back on my Draft master card! :keke::rofl::keke:

:rofl: fk yeah... i can use my draft picks back.... roll with sage next year...year after pick up a young QB in the draft.... use this draft to stockpile depth and get what we need....

[SugarDaddy]

fk...mathematocally eliminated from playoffs....not that i expected to get in...but fk at least there was a shot...lol

[SugarDaddy]

not bad.... finised 8-8...at least its an improvement... anyone else think that we try and trade Sage away for draft picks?

[D_1STUNNA]

not bad.... finised 8-8...at least its an improvement... anyone else think that we try and trade Sage away for draft picks?

I THINK HE SHOULD BE OUR MAIN QB BUT THAT JUST MY .02 CENTS

[Squeaky]

I'm glad we ended up with a non-losing (although not "winning") season but today's game was a joke.

[D_1STUNNA]

I'm glad we ended up with a non-losing (although not "winning") season but today's game was a joke.

TODAYS GAME WAS A GOOD WAY TO END THE SEASON.....ANDRE DAVIS HAD TWO AWESOME KICK OFF RETURNS THAT WAS A GOOD WAY TO END HIS SEASON:nod::thumb:

[SugarDaddy]

I THINK HE SHOULD BE OUR MAIN QB BUT THAT JUST MY .02 CENTS

my thoughts as well....but we just gave schaub all that money... he wont be going anywhere unfortunately

[D_1STUNNA]

my thoughts as well....but we just gave schaub all that money... he wont be going anywhere unfortunately

+1

[BoostJunky]

i was at the game today.... It was an awesome game! Go Davis!!!!

Demp is so fine!

[SugarDaddy]

i was at the game today.... It was an awesome game! Go Davis!!!!

Demp is so fine!

:confused2: u know how i know ur gay?? cuz u look at the football players tight ends! :confused2: :er:

[cogs69]

Well its that time to give this thread a boot in the behind. Looks like Andre Davis is going to be staying for a few years. Good to see, that is some nice talent to put next to AJ. I wonder if Jacoby is going to make it back to his true form this year?

[OMEGA]

go giants :dontknow:

[cogs69]

go giants :dontknow:

:thefinger:

[SugarDaddy]

eh....

[cogs69]

The Vikings offered a third round pick for Sage. Are they FKING NUTS? A measley third rounder for a guy that is arguably just as good if not better than our starter? LMAO.

[SugarDaddy]

The Vikings offered a third round pick for Sage. Are they FKING NUTS? A measley third rounder for a guy that is arguably if not better than our starter? LMAO.

id take a 2nd round pick for Sage dude... gotta get picks to help us...we need help on all fronts... and yes i know what you're gonna say...what if Schaub gets hurt ....well, what if he doesnt? we can still pluck a good RB outta the 2nd round ya know...

[cogs69]

id take a 2nd round pick for Sage dude... gotta get picks to help us...we need help on all fronts... and yes i know what you're gonna say...what if Schaub gets hurt ....well, what if he doesnt? we can still pluck a good RB outta the 2nd round ya know...

2nd round would be debatable. BUT, they didn't offer a 2nd round. They offered a 3rd. I think this is Sage's last year on the contract, so I think it is a good year to trade him after his showing last year, but a third round is a little low.

[SugarDaddy]

2nd round would be debatable. BUT, they didn't offer a 2nd round. They offered a 3rd. I think this is Sage's last year on the contract, so I think it is a good year to trade him after his showing last year, but a third round is a little low.

idk dude... 3rd isnt THAT bad...but im sure as the draft appraoches the offers will be better...

[cogs69]

idk dude... 3rd isnt THAT bad...but im sure as the draft appraoches the offers will be better...

Dude, you are talking about a QB that blew up in the 4th quarter last year agains tennessee. He was consistantly strong. He would be a starter on 40-50% of the teams. We would be stupid to take an offer like that already.

[SugarDaddy]

Dude, you are talking about a QB that blew up in the 4th quarter last year agains tennessee. He was consistantly strong. He would be a starter on 40-50% of the teams. We would be stupid to take an offer like that already.

dude.... Carr is comin back....

[cogs69]

dude.... Carr is comin back....

I say we release Sage and Schaub, and sign him back for at least 20million/year. 8 year contract minimum. :keke: :thefinger

[SugarDaddy]

I say we release Sage and Schaub, and sign him back for at least 20million/year. 8 year contract minimum. :keke: :thefinger

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: yeah yeah...i was wrong about him....

[cogs69]

Steve Mckinney is gone. down to only 5 of the original players

[txferrari]

bump

[cogs69]

Aight bishes. New season new meat. What are your predictions for Sunday? Steelers are solid against the run. I think Ahman gets hurt again in the 1st quarter, and Slaton runs for 70-75yds. I got the Texans winning 20-13

[bubby]

Gonna be tough running against Pittsburgh defense. But I think the Texans will pull this one out!

[cogs69]

Yep, if I recall, the corners are weak and we got our weapon back 100%. Johnson was on fire last year in every game he played. Then you got Walters who will keep the secondary honest in the middle, and Davis/Anderson whoever the #3 is going to be will keep the opposite side honest. SOMEONE will be open. Either from the double on Johnson, or Johnson winning 1 on 1. I think slaton will get at least 70 yds due to speed on 1 or two long plays. The rest will be 2yd carries. Schaub better step it up. This year could make or break his career with Rosenfels finishing out his contract.

[SugarDaddy]

wow...we looked absolutely LOST out there.....all sides of the ball...yes the score looked better at the end but the game was done long before halftime IMO.....

[lilmckee]

texans utterly failed sunday....

[txferrari]

Rockets season is around the corner!!!!!!!

[Fuzzy018]

texans utterly failed sunday....

+1

That was EPIC!!!!!!!!!!

[lilmckee]

+1

That was EPIC!!!!!!!!!!

He has to be paid off by the other team or something....


or he was trying way to hard....


how the fk can that happen!

[CubanGIXXER]

texans utterly failed sunday....

:nod::banghead::nod::banghead::nod::banghead:

I was soo pissed off at the end of that game!!!

I have never seen a QB do really good throughout the game, and then just CHOKE UP THE ASS at the end!!!!! it was UNFREAKENBELIEVABLE!!!! :angry7::angry7::angry7:

[lilmckee]

:werd:

epic fail