Student Arrested & Tasered @ Kerry Event

[Moody]

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[rob g]

now that was Fd up.. seriously let the man finish asking his questions.. no need for the popos well campus security to be involved.. john kerry was there ask and answer meet... y tazer someone when he was makin a good point and tries to ask questions..

- tazerin was use of unnessarcary force they already had him down.. and handcuffed and there was ten.. wasnt like the security was out numbered or he was actin violent..

[Moody]

I think this guy is going to win some lawsuits.

[sbfuller]

he knew damn well what he was doing... maybe a little excessive force, but he WAS resisting arrest and only had one handcuff on at the time. the police were just trying to keep it tame and paecefull and that guy's actions and moreso, tone of voice to instill drama, was unnessecary

[Gixxer Geezer]

I say tazer the dufus:confused2:.. he was out of control. trying to create drama in front of cameras.. what news is this.. should have never made front page or the tv news...

[Ulric]

"Don't taze me Bro! Don't taze me Bro! " BZZzztt.. 'ow ow ow'...

ROFLMAO.

Sounds like he felt his agenda was more important than anyone elses and he just got a little more than he bargained for in regards to his education.

[Moody]

You guys truely are supporting these fascist actions? I certainly do not want to live in a country where I can be tasered for asking a question at a Q&A forum.

[Gixxer Geezer]

You guys truely are supporting these fascist actions? I certainly do not want to live in a country where I can be tasered for asking a question at a Q&A forum.

its a free country.. move......:nod:

[Ulric]

You guys truely are supporting these fascist actions? I certainly do not want to live in a country where I can be tasered for asking a question at a Q&A forum.

For asking a question... or for acting up, throwing a fit because YOUR time/turn expired and eating up/wasting someone else's time/opportunity?

[Moody]

Did you guys watch the video?

He had legit questions from a book he was holding.... so now it is ok to filter the content of questions of people with force after you solicited the public for questions? Unconstitutional!

[Moody]

its a free country.. move......:nod:

Not happening! I would rather fight for my given birth rights as an American. Freedom of speech being one of them.

[Gixxer Geezer]

Did you guys watch the video?

He had legit questions from a book he was holding.... so now it is OK to filter the content of questions of people with force after you solicited the public for questions? Unconstitutional!



no forum is open sights for any one who is disrespectful, of the forum or others in the forum. i get sick of the news reporters always trying to make someone look foolish, stupid or what ever just to get his one sided story ran.. have some dignity and respect or stay at home..

[Ulric]

Did you guys watch the video?

He had legit questions from a book he was holding.... so now it is ok to filter the content of questions of people with force after you solicited the public for questions? Unconstitutional!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#cnnSTCText

Which video? Did you read any of the articles on it?

"He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset."

Pretty much sounds like a tantrum to me based on that article/info.

[Gixxer Geezer]

Not happening! I would rather fight for my given birth rights as an American. Freedom of speech being one of them.

and so those rights are also mine... have a good day..

[Gixxer Geezer]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#cnnSTCText

Which video? Did you read any of the articles on it?

"He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset."

Pretty much sounds like a tantrum to me based on that article/info.



:nod::nod:

[AliceInChains02]

i think the guy and the cops could've acted a little more maturely. the cops are never one to diffuse a situation though. they put their foot down, and what they say goes. and if they have to get a potential riot brewing to prove their point, so be it, because that just means more of their buddies get to come and shoot rubber bullets at the hippies. they should've carried him out of the auditorium if they wanted to have their fun with him, there was enough of them to do so. but the guy was a bit dramatic, and he should not have resisted, but the cops had no reason to arrest him that i saw, and i'd probably resist too if i were him. it's only a misdameanor, right?

[Gixxer Geezer]

i think the guy and the cops could've acted a little more maturely. the cops are never one to diffuse a situation though. they put their foot down, and what they say goes. and if they have to get a potential riot brewing to prove their point, so be it, because that just means more of their buddies get to come and shoot rubber bullets at the hippies. they should've carried him out of the auditorium if they wanted to have their fun with him, there was enough of them to do so. but the guy was a bit dramatic, and he should not have resisted, but the cops had no reason to arrest him that i saw, and i'd probably resist too if i were him. it's only a misdameanor, right?



I never resist arrest.. those phuckers can and will hurt ya..just do what they say and have your day in court... also one of our rights...

[AliceInChains02]

I never resist arrest.. those phuckers can and will hurt ya..just do what they say and have your day in court... also one of our rights...

i wouldn't ever resist either, unless i was in a position like his, being treated what i saw as unfairly, in front of a lot of people. i don't know, i still probably wouldn't. i still think they should have carried him outside before tazering him though, because that just seems like asking to cause a shit-storm to me.

[Gixxer Geezer]

i wouldn't ever resist either, unless i was in a position like his, being treated what i saw as unfairly, in front of a lot of people. i don't know, i still probably wouldn't. i still think they should have carried him outside before tazering him though, because that just seems like asking to cause a shit-storm to me.



ok.. guess i am getting soft in my old age... i dont think they should have tazered him since there were more than enough officers to handle him.. if he continued to resist.. just get a hand full of balls and that will quiten you down some and it wouldnt have been on camera.. its the old grab and release trick...:thumb:

[AliceInChains02]

fox news has some great excerpts

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297314,00.html

Ah yes, you've seen the John Kerry video? The one where that annoying punk gets Tasered while trying to ask that piece of wood some crappy questions.

Why do I love it? Am I sick? Of course, but the guy deserved it — especially when he said, "Don't Taser me, bro."
I hate the word "bro."

"Hey bro, got a smoke?"

"Hey bro, can you spare a buck?"

"Hey bro, you're choking me."

Shut up. You are not my "bro" or "broheim" and if you insist on using that word you deserve death, bro!

always refreshing to get some of that right-wing perspective.

[Moody]

Have you seen this angle? They are way out of line for using the taser. 6:1 while on the ground does not warrant the use of non-lethal force.

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[Gixxer Geezer]

Have you seen this angle? They are way out of line for using the taser. 6:1 while on the ground does not warrant the use of non-lethal force.

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Moody.. i am not argueing.. you have your opinion and i have mine. i have agreed there were more than enough people to have handled the situation better than they did... personally i would have choked him till his eyes popped.

[level5]

Not happening! I would rather fight for my given birth rights as an American. Freedom of speech being one of them.

Did you guys watch the video?

He had legit questions from a book he was holding.... so now it is ok to filter the content of questions of people with force after you solicited the public for questions? Unconstitutional!

Gixxerbill, where are you?

This could be you if you don't behave in this forum. We're gonna have to tazer you.:keke:

[RACER X]

i wouldn't ever resist either, unless i was in a position like his, being treated what i saw as unfairly, in front of a lot of people. i don't know, i still probably wouldn't. .


sounds like

http://www.lifeonthebeat.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/Tazer2.jpg
TIME!!!

i would zapped him a 2nd time, so he;d learn a lesson........:keke:

[Moody]

ok.. guess i am getting soft in my old age... i dont think they should have tazered him since there were more than enough officers to handle him.. if he continued to resist.. just get a hand full of balls and that will quiten you down some and it wouldnt have been on camera.. its the old grab and release trick...:thumb:

That was some Gestapo shit man! Next we will be wearing arm bands at this rate.

[Gixxer Geezer]

sounds like

http://www.lifeonthebeat.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/Tazer2.jpg
TIME!!!

i would zapped him a 2nd time, so he;d learn a lesson........:keke:



Learn him good...:thumb:

[AliceInChains02]

sounds like

http://www.lifeonthebeat.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/Tazer2.jpg
TIME!!!

i would zapped him a 2nd time, so he;d learn a lesson........:keke:

bring it, old man:keke:

[Gixxer Geezer]

That was some Gestapo shit man! Next we will be wearing arm bands at this rate.



hey.. hold on man.. who you calling
Gestapo....:eek3:

[RACER X]

Learn him good...:thumb:

you think he's gonna act a jackass again if a taser gets pulled........lol

prolly not.

no bro! not again!!!!! :rofl:

[Ulric]

Have you seen this angle? They are way out of line for using the taser. 6:1 while on the ground does not warrant the use of non-lethal force.

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I saw the one where it looks like he's trying to hang on to something so they can't pick him up or drag him out...and that he 'let go' just before he realized they were really going to light his butt up so to speak.
I call it an educational lesson...

[SPHINX]

whatever happened to freedom of expression? The governement is gradually and subtlely encrounching upon our liberties.

[Moody]

hey.. hold on man.. who you calling
Gestapo....:eek3:

To insight a public forum for questions and then forcibly remove someone for asking questions is beyond any comprehension of the Constitution I know of.

[level5]

"Don't taze me again, bro"

"ow, ow, ow".:rofl:

You want freedom of speech, make your own forum and make sure you pay your goonies well just in case someone decided to shit on your parade, and this is what it looks like.

[Ulric]

"Don't taze me again, bro"

"ow, ow, ow".:rofl:

You want freedom of speech, make your own forum and make sure you pay your goonies well just in case someone decided to shit on your parade, and this is what it looks like.

So the forum, was just for this individual to ask questions etc only and not anyone else that was there. Or does someone wish to claim that he has/had esp and was able to 'know' the questions that anyone else there might have had?
'HIS' questions and concerns were more important than anyone elses?

[Moody]

"Don't taze me again, bro"

"ow, ow, ow".:rofl:

You want freedom of speech, make your own forum and make sure you pay your goonies well just in case someone decided to shit on your parade, and this is what it looks like.

Encouraging an action then arresting someone for that action is known as entrapment. It is illegal and unconstitutional.

[Moody]

So the forum, was just for this individual to ask questions etc only and not anyone else that was there. Or does someone wish to claim that he has/had esp and was able to 'know' the questions that anyone else there might have had?
'HIS' questions and concerns were more important than anyone elses?

He was at the podium for what... all of 90 seconds. :rofl:

[level5]

To insight a public forum for questions and then forcibly remove someone for asking questions is beyond any comprehension of the Constitution I know of.

He had the intentions of making Kerry look bad and as Kerry's advisor had him removed not arrest. He is making a "Rodney King" out of it and he shall received "Rodney King" on his ass.

[Gixxer Geezer]

So the forum, was just for this individual to ask questions etc only and not anyone else that was there. Or does someone wish to claim that he has/had esp and was able to 'know' the questions that anyone else there might have had?
'HIS' questions and concerns were more important than anyone elses?

yeah... what he ^^^^^^^ said...:thumb:

[RACER X]

there was a time frame, he went above and beyond it, is his time any more valuable then everybody else's. when asked to leave he kept going....

he wanted to get noticed, he got it..........lit up......lol

[Moody]

Not only has this guy gained publicity. He will have plenty of money for his next stunt. :rofl:

[Gixxer Geezer]

He had the intentions of making Kerry look bad and as Kerry's advisor had him removed not arrest. He is making a "Rodney King" out of it and he shall received "Rodney King" on his ass.

yeah.. what he ^^^^^^^^ said....

[AliceInChains02]

it's kinda funny they waited until they had the cuffs on to taser him. and it was the biggest guy there who tasered him. that guy could've drug him out by himself probably

[RACER X]

he won't get jack. and rightly so.

[Moody]

there was a time frame, he went above and beyond it, is his time any more valuable then everybody else's. when asked to leave he kept going....

he wanted to get noticed, he got it..........lit up......lol

Show me where you are getting your time frame accusation from please.

[Gixxer Geezer]

you think he's gonna act a jackass again if a taser gets pulled........lol

prolly not.

no bro! not again!!!!! :rofl:

hehehehe.. loved jackass the movie.. and they all got tazered and didnt complain...:rofl:

[RACER X]

heard he was up there for 7 min. and that was the time frame.

[level5]

Encouraging an action then arresting someone for that action is known as entrapment. It is illegal and unconstitutional.

Tell that to the "John" that was set up in a prostitution proposition case.

[Crystalline]

I do not see how he was being what you called, "disrespectful". He had a legit question(s) and had FACTS to back up his question. The matter of the fact is that he offended Kerry and apparently that is not allowed. What happened to freedom of speech? What happened do questioning these "political leaders"?

What is the point of reading the article that some biased reporter wrote when you have the video right in front of you? I might not have good eye sight but I saw plenty of security officers and police officers holding him down and tasering him. I also saw on tv in the break room of the female officer holding a taser to his chest while he was on the ground being held. Who if their right ****in mind is not going to scream or get pissed for being tasered. Especially for asking a question. This is why the government is getting more and more control, because so many of you see and accept what they do.

What a ****in shame.

Ya'll should watch more Political/Philosophical/Relegious debates..

[Moody]

he won't get jack. and rightly so.

I think your wrong. To many witnesses this time. Ask a cop what kind of training they have recieved on using a taser. It is obviously not to be used for siliencing people who are cuffed and on the ground.

[Gixxer Geezer]

blah, blah, blah,, yada, yada, yada, bet if that was your dad up there trying to give answers to questions yall would all have a different view.. this is why i stay out of these discusions.. see ya

[Moody]

Tell that to the "John" that was set up in a prostitution proposition case.

Different allogations. They can only process you when you offer money for sexual actions. Totally different all together. Good try though.

[Moody]

I do not see how he was being what you called, "disrespectful". He had a legit question(s) and had FACTS to back up his question. The matter of the fact is that he offended Kerry and apparently that is not allowed. What happened to freedom of speech? What happened do questioning these "political leaders"?

What is the point of reading the article that some biased reporter wrote when you have the video right in front of you? I might not have good eye sight but I saw plenty of security officers and police officers holding him down and tasering him. I also saw on tv in the break room of the female officer holding a taser to his chest while he was on the ground being held. Who if their right ****in mind is not going to scream or get pissed for being tasered. Especially for asking a question. This is why the government is getting more and more control, because so many of you see and accept what they do.

What a ****in shame.

Ya'll should watch more Political/Philosophical/Relegious debates..


I'm with you on that. Whether we agree with his questions or not they were legit from a source and the taser was way over board.

[Ulric]

for the apparent reading impaired...

""He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset.""

"As two officers take Meyer by the arms, Kerry, D-Massachusetts, can be heard saying, "That's alright, let me answer his question.""
(so much for some of the conspiracy nuts)
""I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption," Kerry said in a statement issued Tuesday, "but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention.""

[level5]

Not only has this guy gained publicity. He will have plenty of money for his next stunt. :rofl:

:nod:

Maybe, he knew what he was getting into already. Smart guy, 10 seconds of publicity will gain you fame for however long.

[Moody]

for the apparent reading impaired...

""He apparently asked several questions -- he went on for quite awhile -- then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset.""

"As two officers take Meyer by the arms, Kerry, D-Massachusetts, can be heard saying, "That's alright, let me answer his question.""
(so much for some of the conspiracy nuts)
""I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption," Kerry said in a statement issued Tuesday, "but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention.""

That is good stuff but "quite awhile" is lacking a little detail. I did hear Kerry and that is good but, it shows a little conflict in what actions should have occured. :/:

[level5]

I do not see how he was being what you called, "disrespectful". He had a legit question(s) and had FACTS to back up his question. The matter of the fact is that he offended Kerry and apparently that is not allowed. What happened to freedom of speech? What happened do questioning these "political leaders"?

What is the point of reading the article that some biased reporter wrote when you have the video right in front of you? I might not have good eye sight but I saw plenty of security officers and police officers holding him down and tasering him. I also saw on tv in the break room of the female officer holding a taser to his chest while he was on the ground being held. Who if their right ****in mind is not going to scream or get pissed for being tasered. Especially for asking a question. This is why the government is getting more and more control, because so many of you see and accept what they do.

What a ****in shame.

Ya'll should watch more Political/Philosophical/Relegious debates..

Political debate is an equal of statutes and power. The guy is shitting on Kerry's private moment/party and will not be tolerated.:keke: Can't believe everything in the media it is control by the Govt, if not, liabilities.

[Crystalline]

it's kinda funny they waited until they had the cuffs on to taser him. and it was the biggest guy there who tasered him. that guy could've drug him out by himself probably

She was the one that got impatient with his ass and decided to grab him and walk him out... No, she could have said something like along the lines that if doesn't ask the question right now, then I am WALKING you out of here. She just grabbed him and then she looked at his and tasered him once he was held down, not when he was trying to run before, and threw around his whole body... nooooooooo....

[AliceInChains02]

She was the one that got impatient with his ass and decided to grab him and walk him out... No, she could have said something like along the lines that if doesn't ask the question right now, then I am WALKING you out of here. She just grabbed him and then she looked at his and tasered him once he was held down, not when he was trying to run before, and threw around his whole body... nooooooooo....

women...
cops...
women cops........

[Crystalline]

Political debate is an equal of statutes and power. The guy is shitting on Kerry's private moment/party and will not be tolerated.:keke: Can't believe everything in the media it is control by the Govt, if not, liabilities.

I wasn't referring to it as a national level. Local colleges have pretty good debates that you can go to and watch. They teach you alot.


And exacly my point. Why read the news when they have actual footage and even in different angles. Nah, we hear the right wing folks and their shit talk.

[Ulric]

"What is the point of reading the article that some biased reporter wrote when you have the video right in front of you? I might not have good eye sight but I saw plenty of security officers and police officers holding him down and tasering him. I also saw on tv in the break room of the female officer holding a taser to his chest while he was on the ground being held. Who if their right ****in mind is not going to scream or get pissed for being tasered. Especially for asking a question. This is why the government is getting more and more control, because so many of you see and accept what they do."

I'd say the 'baised' article is more informative than the statement ^... :-)

[Gixxer Geezer]

Like my mom always said...."Fools names and Fools faces, always seen in public places"..

[Crystalline]

women...
cops...
women cops........

No chit mayn.. And men cops with little wangs... They are right there with them.

[Gixxer Geezer]

I wasn't referring to it as a national level. Local colleges have pretty good debates that you can go to and watch. They teach you alot.


And exacly my point. Why read the news when they have actual footage and even in different angles. Nah, we hear the right wing folks and their shit talk.



I think our colleges are teaching a bunch of Commie Crap...

[AliceInChains02]

No chit mayn.. And men cops with little wangs... They are right there with them.

like in clerks 2...
little wangs =big clits

[Crystalline]

"What is the point of reading the article that some biased reporter wrote when you have the video right in front of you? I might not have good eye sight but I saw plenty of security officers and police officers holding him down and tasering him. I also saw on tv in the break room of the female officer holding a taser to his chest while he was on the ground being held. Who if their right ****in mind is not going to scream or get pissed for being tasered. Especially for asking a question. This is why the government is getting more and more control, because so many of you see and accept what they do."

I'd say the 'baised' article is more informative than the statement ^... :-)

Hmm... I don't agree.. If the articles listed fact for fact what happened and didn't add their own personal narrative then maybe. I'll just watch the video that shows me what happened... Then I can come up to my own conclusion and not follow someone elses.

[Gixxer Geezer]

like in clerks 2...
little wangs =big clits

:eek3::eek3::eek3:

[Crystalline]

I think our colleges are teaching a bunch of Commie Crap...

Depends..... I think it's pretty cool to hear your own peers, well in my case, my peers debate. Some are mature, and some are not.

[Moody]

I think our colleges are teaching a bunch of Commie Crap...

The video you just applauded was some Commie Crap.... which side are you on? :rofl:

[AliceInChains02]

:eek3::eek3::eek3:

:keke:
that's why i cited the movie.
not my thoughts!

[Gixxer Geezer]

Depends..... I think it's pretty cool to hear your own peers, well in my case, my peers debate. Some are mature, and some are not.

i am not referring to the students themselves.. i think some of the prob falls on the profs...

[Moody]

Hmm... I don't agree.. If the articles listed fact for fact what happened and didn't add their own personal narrative then maybe. I'll just watch the video that shows me what happened... Then I can come up to my own conclusion and not follow someone elses.

:notworthy:


Oh no... we have another thinker... Get The Taser! :rofl:

[Crystalline]

yea no chit...

[Moody]

i am not referring to the students themselves.. i think some of the prob falls on the profs...

As with all education systems.

[Ulric]

Hmm... I don't agree.. If the articles listed fact for fact what happened and didn't add their own personal narrative then maybe. I'll just watch the video that shows me what happened... Then I can come up to my own conclusion and not follow someone elses.

I find all available information, assess then make my own judgement.

[Gixxer Geezer]

:notworthy:


Oh no... we have another thinker... Get The Taser! :rofl:



at least she is not trying to shove her opinion down someones throat. give that girl a hand... :notworthy:

[Crystalline]

i am not referring to the students themselves.. i think some of the prob falls on the profs...

Well that is what happens when old farts think they know everything and/or they can't be told otherwise. :keke:

[Crystalline]

I find all available information, assess then make my own judgement.

Yea, that is usually my second option. I do regularly read a few articles and half the crap written to draw my own conclusion. Buuuuuut, this time there was a video.

[Gixxer Geezer]

Well that is what happens when old farts think they know everything and/or they can't be told otherwise. :keke:

i guess your talking about the profs right.. surely you couldnt be referring to moi.. for god forbid that i would ever give the impression that i knew anything about anything.. cuz i dont...i never got learned much in school..

[Gixxer Geezer]

Yea, that is usually my second option. I do regularly read a few articles and half the crap written to draw my own conclusion. Buuuuuut, this time there was a video.

the video was doctored by the commies...:nod:

[AliceInChains02]

one of my professors told me evolution is real:eek3:

[Crystalline]

at least she is not trying to shove her opinion down someones throat. give that girl a hand... :notworthy:

Hey, I can be pretty agressive. But not right now. :keke:

[Gixxer Geezer]

one of my professors told me evolution is real:eek3:

i had a prof telling me all about vietnam and rice patties.. i guess he must have watch the discover channel... ass hat...

[Moody]

the video was doctored by the commies...:nod:

:rofl:

Now that is funny!

[Gixxer Geezer]

Hey, I can be pretty agressive. But not right now. :keke:

you know your still on my Christmas Card list Crystal...:thumb:

[Moody]

at least she is not trying to shove her opinion down someones throat. give that girl a hand... :notworthy:

Sorry if that was an impression I made. :occasion1:

[Gixxer Geezer]

:rofl:

Now that is funny!

hey if you get to know me.. i am a very funny and good guy.. this is all in fun for me... hope your not mad..

[Crystalline]

i guess your talking about the profs right.. surely you couldnt be referring to moi.. for god forbid that i would ever give the impression that i knew anything about anything.. cuz i dont...i never got learned much in school..

Ya big baby!!

[Gixxer Geezer]

Ya big baby!!

:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

[Crystalline]

you know your still on my Christmas Card list Crystal...:thumb:

OKay so for Christmas I want.... I'll write you a list, K? Okay.




:happy3:

[Crystalline]

Mayn ya'll ruined the thread... Where did all the pansies go?

[Gixxer Geezer]

OKay so for Christmas I want.... I'll write you a list, K? Okay.




:happy3:


I think i said Christmas "CARD" list... :hello:

[2XTURBO]

women...
cops...
women cops........

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ZnB8RBl0U

I liked the reaction from the audience when they tased him:thumb:

[Moody]

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ZnB8RBl0U

I liked the reaction from the audience when they tased him:thumb:

Oh wait, he probably deserved that! :rofl:

[Gixxer Geezer]

Oh wait, he probably deserved that! :rofl:



Absolutely!!!!:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::hello:

[PoPoRiderRR]

The guy was asked several times to leave and to stop his questions ( keep in mind they let him speak for about 2 1/2 minutes before he even asked 1 question )... then he began resisting... They told him several times to quit resisting or he Would be tased... ADVICE *** Beat the Rap NOT the Ride *** argue it out later with the Judge NOT with the cops...

[Crystalline]

The guy was asked several times to leave and to stop his questions ( keep in mind they let him speak for about 2 1/2 minutes before he even asked 1 question )... then he began resisting... They told him several times to quit resisting or he Would be tased... ADVICE *** Beat the Rap NOT the Ride *** argue it out later with the Judge NOT with the cops...

The sad thing is we all understood this. That was not the issue.

[Crystalline]

I think i said Christmas "CARD" list... :hello:

:bs:
This is bullshit.






:keke:

[paniro187]

some gustapo shit going on there. Don't ask certain questions or you'll be asked to leave. bs

[rob g]

For asking a question... or for acting up, throwing a fit because YOUR time/turn expired and eating up/wasting someone else's time/opportunity?



well kerry was there for 2 1/2 hours.. im pretty sure a couple more minutes wouldnt of hurt.. cmon now

o well.. he rich now..

if i had a option of gettin tazed and win lawsuits i would do it

[Crystalline]

some gustapo shit going on there. Don't ask certain questions or you'll be asked to leave. bs

No shit.
People get offended so easily. What a bunch of pussies...
Okay, so Kerry knew his "life story" and the kid didn't have to point it out like he did but damn people some times the truth hurts but it is in fact THE TRUTH!

It was a waste and the kid is going to get money and the female officer is gonig to go on with her life not deserving the consequences she should have had coming to her.:thumb:

[MadseasoN]

Guys, unfortunantly this is where our country is headed. Question the government and you're liable to be electrocuted by a nice little tool supplied to your local police force (which reminds me of a cattle prod).

These Q&A sessions are nothing more than an opportunity for politicans to shove more BS down our throats. Usually the questions are screened but I guess this one slipped throuh the cracks. Politicians like Kerry have no balls. If he did then he'd take on any question or topic that an average Joe could throw at him. Unfortunantly that's not the way it works.

"Freedom" went out the window in this country about 15 years ago and it's only going to get worse.

[Azylum]

haha

[AliceInChains02]

No shit.
People get offended so easily. What a bunch of pussies...
Okay, so Kerry knew his "life story" and the kid didn't have to point it out like he did but damn people some times the truth hurts but it is in fact THE TRUTH!

It was a waste and the kid is going to get money and the female officer is gonig to go on with her life not deserving the consequences she should have had coming to her.:thumb:

what's up with your avatar? are you a bigot or something? :keke:

[Karen]

haha i saw this shit at the gym but with no sound so i didnt know wtf was going on i just saw it said dont tase me bro

[sillywabbit]

He got what was coming to him. (well ok, not tazered) His rights do not override everyone elses. He asked questions, and wanted more, but his questions are not more important then everyone elses.

If he was really interested in the answers, he should know the format of the Q&A forum, and brought friends to continue asking the rest of the questions, so he got all the questions out, and followed the layout of the forum. Not go around and impose his own wants in front of others.

[Azylum]

exactly. he shoulda just shut the phuck up when he was told to. he was even WARNED he was gonna be tazered and kept running his mouth. punk.

[Crystalline]

He got what was coming to him. (well ok, not tazered) His rights do not override everyone elses. He asked questions, and wanted more, but his questions are not more important then everyone elses.

If he was really interested in the answers, he should know the format of the Q&A forum, and brought friends to continue asking the rest of the questions, so he got all the questions out, and followed the layout of the forum. Not go around and impose his own wants in front of others.


So if he was to draw facts that praised Kerry's work/decisions that lead to a question that would then again give him the opportunity to answer with pride, would they tell him to shut up? Would any of this happened? I don't think so.. They are all a bunch of pussies. Plain and simple. Oh and he is a little retarded [even though I don't really disagree with him] and should not have gone than far, but then again, he shouldn't have been held down and THEN tazered... We are loosing our rights and all people are thinking about is how "out of line" this guy is. WHO CARES WHAT HE DID! PAY ATTENTION TO WTF HAPPENED!!!

[Crystalline]

what's up with your avatar? are you a bigot or something? :keke:
What is up with your avatar?!

I just love the movie. It was either this or homeboy with the swastica.

[txferrari]

What is up with your avatar?!

I just love the movie. It was either this or homeboy with the swastica.

Awesome movie btw.

[Crystalline]

Awesome movie btw.

Hell yea it is! It makes me cry, but it's AWE-SOME!!!

[sbfuller]

in my opinion he deserved to be tasered. the cops warned him that if he didn't stop resisting he'd be tasered. he didn't stop, and was tasered. kinda like when you are little and your parents say don't make me count to "3"... you know damn well when they get to "3" what is going to happen... if you make then get to that point, it happens... if you stop, it never happens. the cops counted to "3" and it was too late for him

[Crystalline]

in my opinion he deserved to be tasered. the cops warned him that if he didn't stop resisting he'd be tasered. he didn't stop, and was tasered. kinda like when you are little and your parents say don't make me count to "3"... you know damn well when they get to "3" what is going to happen... if you make then get to that point, it happens... if you stop, it never happens. the cops counted to "3" and it was too late for him

I would have understood him being tasered when he threw a fit in the back and was throwing his arms in the air and pushing the officers off of him. That did not happened. They did give him plenty of chances and had different opportunities to taser him and didn't do it. They did it when he was pinned down. So in that sense, it's like spanking your child when they are finally cooperating. The chain of events was all wrong.

[RACER X]

pinning him down doesn't mean he's cooperating. you think he's gonna stop fighting just cuz he's down.......doubt it.

+1 to SBFULLER, play w/ the bull, don't be suprised if you get the horns.

[Crystalline]

pinning him down doesn't mean he's cooperating. you think he's gonna stop fighting just cuz he's down.......doubt it.

+1 to SBFULLER, play w/ the bull, don't be suprised if you get the horns.

Hmm... Pinning him down means he can't move. You can clearly see that he cannot. If you listen he also said, "... I will walk out of here."



Just because the law is doing it, doesn't always mean it is okay.

[RACER X]

he can't move......dude wasn't a 7 y.o. , he as big as the biggest cop and bigger then most of them. he was still fighting when they zapped him.

any 5 y.o. can tell you how discipline works........1........2............3.............s pank. hell even my 2.5 yr already knows.

not 1....2...........3................4...........5... .............6..........7...............8......... ....9........

[BigComfy]

A little excessive force used here. I'm sorry the guy was just trying to ask some question and I would think especially in such a setting Mr. Kerry (or who ever else) being in the position that they are would actually no should attempt to answer said questions. Yes it may of taken a bit more time to ask the wuestion than was originally allocated but come on this is the land of the free right?

Not a pro kerry or anti kerry stance I'm taking but it seems no one is allowed to ask any of our politicians question that we (americans) need to have answered instead of just shoving these events under the rug and just moving on.

[sbfuller]

Hmm... Pinning him down means he can't move. You can clearly see that he cannot. If you listen he also said, "... I will walk out of here."



Just because the law is doing it, doesn't always mean it is okay.

it was too late for him to walk out at that point, they had already counted to "3". he was pinned down but was still not cooperating by putting his other hand behind his back. so they tasered him... he cooperated then

[Crystalline]

he can't move......dude wasn't a 7 y.o. , he as big as the biggest cop and bigger then most of them. he was still fighting when they zapped him.
any 5 y.o. can tell you how discipline works........1........2............3.............s pank. hell even my 2.5 yr already knows.
not 1....2...........3................4...........5... .............6..........7...............8......... ....9........

Maybe I need to watch it again, but from I noticed the 10 times I watched it she was yelling at him, and he couldn't do anything because he was infact pinned down and because she seemed to get fed up with him she then tasered him. Those are not the rules of using that kind of force of someone...

Here is how it is in Houston, and most likely everywhere else:

Policy and training dictate that officers should use the minimal force necessary to eliminate a threat to officers or others. They also outline instances in which Tasers should not be used, including occasions in which someone is "verbally aggressive" but does nothing else.

The last limitation was clarified after police officials found that a number of officers used Tasers on people who had been verbally aggressive. On March 30, Hurtt distributed to officers a video on which he explained that Tasers should be used against people who are verbally aggressive only if their comments are accompanied by aggressive gestures or the officers think assault is imminent.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4464516.html

Now I didn't here any threats to the officers on his part.

[sbfuller]

A little excessive force used here. I'm sorry the guy was just trying to ask some question and I would think especially in such a setting Mr. Kerry (or who ever else) being in the position that they are would actually no should attempt to answer said questions. Yes it may of taken a bit more time to ask the wuestion than was originally allocated but come on this is the land of the free right?

Not a pro kerry or anti kerry stance I'm taking but it seems no one is allowed to ask any of our politicians question that we (americans) need to have answered instead of just shoving these events under the rug and just moving on.

i think if he would have used a different tone of voice to ask the questions that they would have been heard. he was asking in a loud, obnoxious manner and was called on it. if he would have said, "no, please let me ask just one more question" in the manner you would expect your kid to talk to you, then he would have been given that opportunity. instead he went in with a big attitude and was asked to leave... he refused and made a scene...ZZZZAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!11

[sbfuller]

Maybe I need to watch it again, but from I noticed the 10 times I watched it she was yelling at him, and he couldn't do anything because he was infact pinned down and because she seemed to get fed up with him she then tasered him. Those are not the rules of using that kind of force of someone...

Here is how it is in Houston, and most likely everywhere else:

Policy and training dictate that officers should use the minimal force necessary to eliminate a threat to officers or others. They also outline instances in which Tasers should not be used, including occasions in which someone is "verbally aggressive" but does nothing else.

The last limitation was clarified after police officials found that a number of officers used Tasers on people who had been verbally aggressive. On March 30, Hurtt distributed to officers a video on which he explained that Tasers should be used against people who are verbally aggressive only if their comments are accompanied by aggressive gestures or the officers think assault is imminent.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4464516.html

Now I didn't here any threats to the officers on his part.

but they have him on the ground and he is twisting and turning and resisting arrest, they can use the taser then.... just like if you decide to run from them on a bike, you are resisting arrest so i have no problem if they ram you. have respect for the officers and most of the time they will show respect to you

[BigComfy]

But I do have to agree the kid wasnt formulating his questions very well.

[Crystalline]

it was too late for him to walk out at that point, they had already counted to "3". he was pinned down but was still not cooperating by putting his other hand behind his back. so they tasered him... he cooperated then

Yea it might have been but the taser has almost the same rules as a gun. You should not use it unless your life in is danger. Only difference with the taser is if they send you threats it is more than likely to be used. He did have one hand pinned behind his back while multiple officers were laying on him with all their weight. It doesn't look like he is the Incredible hulk and can free himself out of it and he didn't try to. Most he said was, "get off of me", and "dont' taser me". Those do not sound like threatening words in my book.


Like I said, if they did it while he was running around acting a fool then it would have been justified.

[Crystalline]

But I do have to agree the kid wasnt formulating his questions very well.

Nah he didn't. It was weak.

[Cherub]

you want to act like a child (no matter if what your saying is true or not) you can be expected to be treated like one. So dont be suprised when daddy reaches across the table and smacks ya.

[sbfuller]

Like I said, if they did it while he was running around acting a fool then it would have been justified.
instead he was laying around acting a fool. he was resisting arrest and making a scene, and the cops felt that was the force that was nessecary to remove him from the area and restore order. what the did before the taser obviously didn't work so they had to try something more extreme

[Gixxer Geezer]

they should have choked his ass till he turned blue.. then he couldnt have been heard begging not to be tazered.. guess he got his 15 minutes of fame.. poor bastard...

hey brett :hello:

[Crystalline]

but they have him on the ground and he is twisting and turning and resisting arrest, they can use the taser then.... just like if you decide to run from them on a bike, you are resisting arrest so i have no problem if they ram you. have respect for the officers and most of the time they will show respect to you

I don't see the guys on him being moved much... But I take back what I said every one being pussies, Kerry obviously wasn't, it was just the guards, who in this clip right here said they are being questioned for their actions. That last part, I can't agree with because you can't point out how many nice cops there are and how many the of the rest are.
pkjyKDtbCcI

[RACER X]

read in the paper yesterday, he handed a camera to a person nearby (who didn't know him) and said "watch this"..........he got his fame.

[sbfuller]

they should have choked his ass till he turned blue.. then he couldnt have been heard begging not to be tazered.. guess he got his 15 minutes of fame.. poor bastard...

hey brett :hello:
:hello: geezer, how was the ride home last night? pass any tasered kids laying in a ditch?, or better yet kids tasering others... i did that once, never did again... my dad was PISSED!!!!

[Gixxer Geezer]

:hello: geezer, how was the ride home last night? pass any tasered kids laying in a ditch?, or better yet kids tasering others... i did that once, never did again... my dad was PISSED!!!!


Ride home was nice. almost hit a dog in friendswood.. yeah i stopped in league city and tazered a couple of guys asking directions.. hahahahah

[RACER X]

[FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"], it was just the guards, who in this clip right here said they are being questioned for their actions.

thats normal routine. they are on paid vaction as far as i'm concerned. :keke:

[sbfuller]

I don't see the guys on him being moved much... But I take back what I said every one being pussies, Kerry obviously wasn't, it was just the guards, who in this clip right here said they are being questioned for their actions. That last part, I can't agree with because you can't point out how many nice cops there are and how many the of the rest are.
pkjyKDtbCcI

in that video they cut out how they warned to use the taser and that he still was not in hancuffs. they then went on to say he was taser for asking a question? no, he was tasered for resisting arrest, exactly what he was booked for at the county jail

[Crystalline]

instead he was laying around acting a fool. he was resisting arrest and making a scene, and the cops felt that was the force that was nessecary to remove him from the area and restore order. what the did before the taser obviously didn't work so they had to try something more extreme

Saying "get off of me", and "don't taser me"? That is acting like a fool? That is all I could hear. Oh and besides, "what did I do?" But he did make a scene and he seems like an obnoxious person... I will continue to say under those circumstances, it was unecessary. I don't think they were thinking of taking extreme precautionary measures, I think she just wanted to shut him up.

[sbfuller]

Ride home was nice. almost hit a dog in friendswood.. yeah i stopped in league city and tazered a couple of guys asking directions.. hahahahah

did they go OWWW OWWW OWWWWWWWW quit bro, OOOOWWWWWWW!!!:rofl:

[Gixxer Geezer]

did they go OWWW OWWW OWWWWWWWW quit bro, OOOOWWWWWWW!!!:rofl:

they did.. man it was fun.. i told them .. quit calling me bro.. i aint kin to ya.. hahahahahhaha

[sbfuller]

I think she just wanted to shut him up. i agree, and it worked... that made him cooperate and got him out of the auditorium. they weren't able to do it before the taser so that must have been what was nessecary

[Crystalline]

read in the paper yesterday, he handed a camera to a person nearby (who didn't know him) and said "watch this"..........he got his fame.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised because he knew what he was going to say. He wanted to offend Kerry. Who doesn't? :keke: Him or Bush, or Clinton. Oh wait, he did!

[Crystalline]

in that video they cut out how they warned to use the taser and that he still was not in hancuffs. they then went on to say he was taser for asking a question? no, he was tasered for resisting arrest, exactly what he was booked for at the county jail

Yea, we got the left hands view of it. I figured I would add it in there since we heard the right side already.

[Crystalline]

i agree, and it worked... that made him cooperate and got him out of the auditorium. they weren't able to do it before the taser so that must have been what was nessecary

So agree that she used the taser to shut him up...
So then you must agree that she didn't use the taser under correct protocall?

[Crystalline]

did they go OWWW OWWW OWWWWWWWW quit bro, OOOOWWWWWWW!!!:rofl:

You would being screaming like a little girl if you got tasered. I know I would, if noise came out my mouth. Shut your mouth!

[Cherub]

I want to tazer this thread

[Gixxer Geezer]

I want to tazer this thread

no bro dont taszer this thread ooooowwwwwwwwwww

[sbfuller]

You would being screaming like a little girl if you got tasered. I know I would, if noise came out my mouth. Shut your mouth!




i tasered my dad when i was little and i distinctly remember him saying a few explicitive words... needless to say, i'll never taser him again!!!

[sillywabbit]

So agree that she used the taser to shut him up...
So then you must agree that she didn't use the taser under correct protocall?

I agree he shouldn't of been tazered, but, he was an @asshat and have no sympathy for him. He DID resist arrest, you saw him in the video. I don't think it was Gestapo sh!t. He should of been removed, and it looks like he was out to get 'noticed'. He was warned, and got something for his dumb @ass. This is not a 'my freedoms, my freedoms' type sh!t, this was a 'look at me, look at me' thing. Too much being tazered? yea. Will the @asshate do it again? bet he won't.

[Gixxer Geezer]

I dont think the cops should have been involved.. i think someone with some respect and some balls should have stood up and whipped his ass....

[RACER X]

then they woulda tazerd ballzy dude..........lol

[Gixxer Geezer]

then they woulda tazerd ballzy dude..........lol

probably.. they were out to tazer somebody.. i think i saw them tazer a cat before they went into the meeting...:nod:

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Man that shyt was unwarranted! There is no way you will justify either the initial restraining or continued escalation to the point of arresting this young man given the observed circumstance(s). Sure the guy was more than likely looking for a little fame/camera time, but that has never been enough, to justifiably arrest someone (they need to have actually been conspiring or conducting some transgression against the laws of the state- can you honestly say he was breaking any law? Doubtful. And inciting a riot doesn't much fit). This was pseudo-Gestapo as was mentioned by Moody yesterday. His question(s), though poorly formulated were well within the confines of time and being that this was a forum who's very nature is based on the exchange of questions and answers between the subject of the forum- John Kerry- and the attendees, there was no reason to silence the young man in his efforts. Although he was excitable and was asking multiple questions (something I personally hate, if you wish me to grant proper and equitable responses, allow me to answer your questions one by one) which happened to be more rhetorical in nature, at least by my observation, that does not mean that you can simply silence any undesirable queries, particularly when it has to do with our government. Some of you seem to need to be reminded that we are not fascists', the government does not and SHOULD NOT have the authority to silence entities questioning its doings and should never simply accept this type of behavior from our government officials, namely police. NO , this was not some official government ceremony such as an induction ceremony, it was a public forum whose focus was on government issues headed by a US Senator so yes, all the aforementioned still applies.

Here are a few relative excerpts from the United States Constitution:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[RACER X]

did you happen to hear about the time limit?

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

...AND NO, he shouldn't have been tazed either. There were more than enough officers available to restrain him. When you set the precedent for tazing based on ever milder circumstances, you float into dangerous territory. Next thing you know, folks will begin to be tazed simply for speaking their minds to whatever government officials they see fit. To quote ol Bill, "THAT would be ridiculous..."

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

did you happen to hear about the time limit?

What was the time limit? I'd be willing to bet he hadn't exceeded it...:thumb:

[RACER X]

i heard 7 min, and i heard he exceeded it.

but i'm sure his time is more val. then others.

[Gixxer Geezer]

They should have beat him with a rubber hose over a telephone book.. :eek3:

[sillywabbit]

...AND NO, he shouldn't have been tazed either. There were more than enough officers available to restrain him. When you set the precedent for tazing based on ever milder circumstances, you float into dangerous territory. Next thing you know, folks will begin to be tazed simply for speaking their minds to whatever government officials they see fit. To quote ol Bill, "THAT would be ridiculous..."

wanna be treated with respect? give it. He was an @sshat. Broke the rules, needed to be removed. We all seem to agree tasering was a bit excessive, but he needed to be removed. Follow the rules of the forum.

[RACER X]

i think they have talked w/ him so more, maybe called in his mom in to pull on his ear or count..1............2................3.......ok... ..........4...............5.........

i think tazering was fine, he won't act a fool again.

We all seem to agree tasering was a bit excessive,

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

i heard 7 min, and i heard he exceeded it.

but i'm sure his time is more val. then others.

Ok to continue to say that you "heard" yet you have the video available to you is a bit misguided. I just went back and reviewed the tape...FLAG ON THE PLAY...he spoke for a whoping minute and thirty seconds. You are generally afforded 2 mins...so no, sorry that doesn't fly bud :thumb:

[MadseasoN]

read in the paper yesterday, he handed a camera to a person nearby (who didn't know him) and said "watch this"..........he got his fame.

Or so they would have you believe.

The taser was excessive. They knew damn well that he wasn't a threat. Maybe a big-mouth, but not a threat. The taser has become a substitute for patience. Plus, If you can't take down some lanky kid like this one then you should'nt be on the force IMO.

Also, he wasn't resisting arrest because he wasn't being arrested. He was being escorted out of the building.

[Gixxer Geezer]

ManLaw... all ass hats will be tasered!:nod:

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

wanna be treated with respect? give it. He was an @sshat. Broke the rules, needed to be removed. We all seem to agree tasering was a bit excessive, but he needed to be removed. Follow the rules of the forum.

What rule did he break?(Be specific and provide detailed examples including the time of occurance)...and him being an asshat was not enough to even have him removed. Allow him the alloted time to finish his question and if he exceeds it, THEN he can be silenced, doubtful he accomplished as much in a minute and a half...

[sbfuller]

did you also see when lots of the people started cheering when they made him shut up!?! he was annoying and disrupting a public ceremony. he has a right to free speech but as he went on he was getting more and more hostile. they decided to end it for him to keep order and the excitabilty level of the crowd down. i see it if you are going to act an ass then you'll be treated like one. show some respect and civility and you shall be shown the same in return

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Or so they would have you believe.

The taser was excessive. They knew damn well that he wasn't a threat. Maybe a big-mouth, but not a threat. The taser has become a substitute for patience. Plus, If you can't take down some lanky kid like this one then you should'nt be on the force IMO.

Also, he wasn't resisting arrest because he wasn't being arrested. He was being escorted out of the building.

+1...and will continue to do so, so long as we are exercising apathy with respect to official observed uses of taser guns...

[RACER X]

ManLaw... all ass hats will be tasered!:nod:

too bad there are so many mamby pamby's out there.

play w/ the bull, don't be suprised if you get the horns.

[Gixxer Geezer]

did you also see when lots of the people started cheering when they made him shut up!?! he was annoying and disrupting a public ceremony. he has a right to free speech but as he went on he was getting more and more hostile. they decided to end it for him to keep order and the excitabilty level of the crowd down. i see it if you are going to act an ass then you'll be treated like one. show some respect and civility and you shall be shown the same in return

+1

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

did you also see when lots of the people started cheering when they made him shut up!?! he was annoying and disrupting a public ceremony. he has a right to free speech but as he went on he was getting more and more hostile. they decided to end it for him to keep order and the excitabilty level of the crowd down. i see it if you are going to act an ass then you'll be treated like one. show some respect and civility and you shall be shown the same in return

FALSE. 1) It was not a public ceremony, it was a public forum...quite a difference. 2) Excitability of the crowd has nothing to do with his right to continue with his question so long as it was a question and it was, regardless of how retarded and moot it was.

[sbfuller]

that guy had an agenda he wanted to get across, and no rules of anybody were going to stop him from doing so... or so he THOUGHT. since we haven't seen any rules or format to the forum we don't know if he broke any rules of not. but he did choose to be there in the mindset of causing a scene, he got his scene alright!!

[Gixxer Geezer]

Nuke all of em..:thumb:

[Crystalline]

wanna be treated with respect? give it. He was an @sshat. Broke the rules, needed to be removed. We all seem to agree tasering was a bit excessive, but he needed to be removed. Follow the rules of the forum.

If you noticed, Kerry was answering his question. So what disrespect?
What rules??

[sbfuller]

FALSE. 1) It was not a public ceremony, it was a public forum...quite a difference. 2) Excitability of the crowd has nothing to do with his right to continue with his question so long as it was a question and it was, regardless of how retarded and moot it was.ok, forum, my bad... he was being disrespectful... PERIOD!!! with such a figure as a senator there the school did not welcome his disrespetful attitude and therefor attempted to remove him from the forum. it was not about free speech, it was about respect for another person and they would not stand for him disresepting the senator

[Gixxer Geezer]

the guy was there solely to create a scene. be disruptive and disrespectful. must have been a college initiation or sumpin...

[Crystalline]

i heard 7 min, and i heard he exceeded it.

but i'm sure his time is more val. then others.

The video itself was not even 7 minutes. You "heard" wrong.

[sbfuller]

If you noticed, Kerry was answering his question. So what disrespect?
What rules??

his tone of voice and the way he was asking questions with no intent on listening to the answer is disrespect

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

that guy had an agenda he wanted to get across, and no rules of anybody were going to stop him from doing so... or so he THOUGHT. since we haven't seen any rules or format to the forum we don't know if he broke any rules of not. but he did choose to be there in the mindset of causing a scene, he got his scene alright!!

And I made mention that it was pretty obvious, the rhetorical nature of his question but again, THAT DOES NOT WARRANT OR JUSTIFY HIS REMOVAL. John Kerry was more than capable of handling the question, he is a big boy, let alone a career politician. Let him handle it. You seem to forget the basic principles upon which this country was built, freedom not fascism. Fascists' are infamous for silencing contrary sentiment. Remember Stalin...?

[RACER X]

"I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong. You were just trying to do your job," Meyer said, according to the police report.

At one point, he asked whether there were going to be cameras at the jail, according to the report.


:gesture:

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

ok, forum, my bad... he was being disrespectful... PERIOD!!! with such a figure as a senator there the school did not welcome his disrespetful attitude and therefor attempted to remove him from the forum. it was not about free speech, it was about respect for another person and they would not stand for him disresepting the senator

How was he being disrespectful? For asking a question that just so happened to be a little displeasing? GTF outta here with that mess...

[Gixxer Geezer]

And I made mention that it was pretty obvious, the rhetorical nature of his question but again, THAT DOES NOT WARRANT OR JUSTIFY HIS REMOVAL. John Kerry was more than capable of handling the question, he is a big boy, let alone a career politician. Let him handle it. You seem to forget the basic principles upon which this country was built, freedom not fascism. Fascists' are infamous for silencing contrary sentiment. Remember Stalin...?




Stalin??? he played for the Yankees didnt he..???

[Cherub]

Ever been tazered ....... yea its not fun but it aint that bad. everyone acts like this fool got shot.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

"I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong. You were just trying to do your job," Meyer said, according to the police report.

At one point, he asked whether there were going to be cameras at the jail, according to the report.


:gesture:

And that is to say what, other than he is an idiot who has a questionable spine...?

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Stalin??? he played for the Yankees didnt he..???

Wow...just...Wow :sad7:

Yeah I heard he still holds the record for RBI's...

[Gixxer Geezer]

Ever been tazered ....... yea its not fun but it aint that bad. everyone acts like this fool got shot.

i got tazered one time.. it corrected my eyesight to 20/20..:thumb:

[sbfuller]

And I made mention that it was pretty obvious, the rhetorical nature of his question but again, THAT DOES NOT WARRANT OR JUSTIFY HIS REMOVAL. John Kerry was more than capable of handling the question, he is a big boy, let alone a career politician. Let him handle it. You seem to forget the basic principles upon which this country was built, freedom not fascism. Fascists' are infamous for silencing contrary sentiment. Remember Stalin...?

but it does. he is at a school event, if his school feels that he needs to be removed then he can be, they can do so. it was not about the question or freedom of speech, it was his attitude and the way he was being percieved. that is why he was removed, not for merely asking a question, which i'm sure was the policy... ask a (1) question, maybe 2, but not 3 or 4

[Crystalline]

his tone of voice and the way he was asking questions with no intent on listening to the answer is disrespect

How do you know he was not willing to listen to the answer? HE WAS BEING TASERED!! Majority of those people were probably Pro Kerry and were glad just like the guards and officers that he wasn't going to talk anymore.

[Cherub]

And I made mention that it was pretty obvious, the rhetorical nature of his question but again, THAT DOES NOT WARRANT OR JUSTIFY HIS REMOVAL. John Kerry was more than capable of handling the question, he is a big boy, let alone a career politician. Let him handle it. You seem to forget the basic principles upon which this country was built, freedom not fascism. Fascists' are infamous for silencing contrary sentiment. Remember Stalin...?

when would the rheorical questions stopped? If let go on when would have been a good time to say ok thanks for coming

[MadseasoN]

You can't have 'Freedom of Speech' if there are rules about what you can and cannot ask. I watched the video and I was suprised when the officer appeared out of nowhere to remove him from the mike. I was thinking "what's the problem?". All it takes is for one of Kerry's advisors to give the 'signal' and they can remove anyone they like for asking the wrong question in the 'wrong' way.

[sbfuller]

How do you know he was not willing to listen to the answer? HE WAS BEING TASERED!! Majority of those people were probably Pro Kerry and were glad just like the guards and officers that he wasn't going to talk anymore.

because he asked the question and then kept on rambling... he wasn't tasered until after he was made to leave the mic

[sbfuller]

You can't have 'Freedom of Speech' if there are rules about what you can and cannot ask. I watched the video and I was suprised when the officer appeared out of nowhere to remove him from the mike. I was thinking "what's the problem?". All it takes is for one of Kerry's advisors to give the 'signal' and they can remove anyone they like for asking the wrong question in the 'wrong' way.

maybe it was a school official that signaled for him to be removed for being disruptive and talking in a disrespectful demeaner??? it may not have had anything to do with the questions being asked but in the way he presented the question

[sillywabbit]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/witness_defends_kerry_response.html

The girl who the @sshat handed his camera too. The @sshat cut off another person, and did go on, just because the video only shows the part where he is being led away doesn't mean thats where the incident began. Sheesh.

And want freedom of speech. Stand outside and shout it with a bullhorn. The forum has rules. Why should he be excempt from following the 'FORUM RULES" He is an @sshat and not more important than anyone else.

[Gixxer Geezer]

Ignorance, stupidity, any and all disruptive behavior should be punished..

[sillywabbit]

This is NOT a freedom of speech issue. If you yell fire in a crowded theater you'll get arrested, there are rules. He can say and question all he wants, but NOT in an orginized forum. Try that sh!t in any other orginized school event and see what happens....(tasered again)

Your freedom does not supercide mine

[Crystalline]

Ever been tazered ....... yea its not fun but it aint that bad. everyone acts like this fool got shot.

I have been shocked like a mthrfckr!!! Does that count? :keke:

[sbfuller]

I have been shocked like a mthrfckr!!! Does that count? :keke:



shocker FTW!!! ll.l

[Cherub]

stupidity, any and all disruptive behavior should be punished..

:thumb: THANK YOU simple and to the point! There is no need for blah blah blah blah.

[Cherub]

I have been shocked like a mthrfckr!!! Does that count? :keke:

with electricity asshat

[sbfuller]

:thumb: THANK YOU simple and to the point! There is no need for blah blah blah blah.

agreed.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

but it does. he is at a school event, if his school feels that he needs to be removed then he can be, they can do so. it was not about the question or freedom of speech, it was his attitude and the way he was being percieved. that is why he was removed, not for merely asking a question, which i'm sure was the policy... ask a (1) question, maybe 2, but not 3 or 4

Yeah but the school will need to have shown cause and have specific lines of code addressing specifically what this guy did wrong. I highly doubt the circumstances will provide anything in support of the school's actions...that is to be seen...

[Gixxer Geezer]

Yeah but the school will need to have shown cause and have specific lines of code addressing specifically what this guy did wrong. I highly doubt the circumstances will provide anything in support of the school's actions...that is to be seen...



OMG... more .. blah, blah, blah...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

when would the rheorical questions stopped? If let go on when would have been a good time to say ok thanks for coming

Wrong! he has a time limit, once that was exceeded, only then would they- the school- have had cause to essentially, shut him down...

[sillywabbit]

Wrong! he has a time limit, once that was exceeded, only then would they- the school- have had cause to essentially, shut him down...

Dude, he cut some other student off, all he cared about was making a scene.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Ignorance, stupidity, any and all disruptive behavior should be punished..

...and being that those are all relative terms, we are in trouble if such a mindset is the prevalent one in our government today

[MadseasoN]

maybe it was a school official that signaled for him to be removed for being disruptive and talking in a disrespectful demeaner??? it may not have had anything to do with the questions being asked but in the way he presented the question

"Being disruptive" - He was asking a question at the podium. How is that disruptive?

"talking in a disprespectful demeaner" - I think that's an opinion. Even so, it's not illegal to be 'disrespectful'.

[Cherub]

Wrong! he has a time limit, once that was exceeded, only then would they- the school- have had cause to essentially, shut him down...

so they acted what 30 seconds to early........

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

OMG... more .. blah, blah, blah...

Right back at ya bud...:thumb:

[Gixxer Geezer]

...and being that those are all relative terms, we are in trouble if such a mindset is the prevalent one in our government today



man i dont got no education.. what the hell did you just say???

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Dude, he cut some other student off, all he cared about was making a scene.

What are you talking about, who did he cut off? Is there some other video that I've not been aware of?

[sillywabbit]

Right back at ya bud...:thumb:

you are ignoring the facts. Look what the 'EYE WITNESS' said.

I posted a link, go back and read.

[Crystalline]

with electricity asshat

then what comes out of a socket??

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

"Being disruptive" - He was asking a question at the podium. How is that disruptive?

"talking in a disprespectful demeaner" - I think that's an opinion. Even so, it's not illegal to be 'disrespectful'.

LMAO...EXACTLY...relative terminology, absolute execution...

[sbfuller]

then what comes out of a socket??

a light bulb... DUH:banghead:

[sillywabbit]

LMAO...EXACTLY...relative terminology, absolute execution...

cutting another student off IS being disruptive

[Gixxer Geezer]

then what comes out of a socket??



a rocket..

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

so they acted what 30 seconds to early........

Precisely the problem...time alloted is time alloted...it's like a leo giving you a ticket just before hitting the threshold for speeding. He probably figured that at the continually increasing rate of speed at which you were going, it could be concluded that you were likely to continue to the point of breaking the rules or LAW...

[MadseasoN]

This is NOT a freedom of speech issue. If you yell fire in a crowded theater you'll get arrested, there are rules. He can say and question all he wants, but NOT in an orginized forum. Try that sh!t in any other orginized school event and see what happens....(tasered again)

Your freedom does not supercide mine

Yelling 'Fire' in a crowded theatre is not the same thing as what happened here. He was provided a podium to speak from and someone didn't like his political comments. Consequently physical force was used to remove him. That's exactly what 'Freedom of Speech' is supposed to protect us from.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

cutting another student off IS being disruptive

When did he do it? Gimmie a time or som'n because I didn't observe any such thing on any of the footage I've reviewed...

[sbfuller]

Precisely the problem...time alloted is time alloted...it's like a leo giving you a tickets just before hitting the threshold for speeding. He probably figured that at the continually increasing rate of speed at which you were going, it could be concluded that you were likely to continue to the point of breaking the rules or LAW...



you have just been e-tasered!!! STFU!!!! :keke: i had to, my bad:keke:

[sillywabbit]

Yelling 'Fire' in a crowded theatre is not the same thing as what happened here. He was provided a podium to speak from and someone didn't like his political comments. Consequently physical force was used to remove him. That's exactly what 'Freedom of Speech' is supposed to protect us from.

He was not provided with a podium, he took it from someone else.


What, if its not on youtube you don't believe it? The freaking person he handed the camera to said it her damn self.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

you have just been e-tasered!!! STFU!!!! :keke: i had to, my bad:keke:

:rofl:HA...I wish a mf'r would...

[sbfuller]

Yelling 'Fire' in a crowded theatre is not the same thing as what happened here. He was provided a podium to speak from and someone didn't like his political comments. Consequently physical force was used to remove him. That's exactly what 'Freedom of Speech' is supposed to protect us from.

there are so many loop holes in those ammendments though... Freedom of speech can be interpreted in so many ways... treason, slander, defamation of character... all says free speech is not exactly free. you throw that out when it's convienient. i could theoretically shot someone for my freedom of expression... i was expressing in my own way that i do not like that asshole!!

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

He was not provided with a podium, he took it from someone else.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/witness_defends_kerry_response.html

What, if its not on youtube you don't believe it? The freaking person he handed the camera to said it her damn self.

LMAO, I'll take video footage over verbal testimony any days of the week...:gesture:

[sillywabbit]

there is video of bigfoot too, so thats gotta be true

[sbfuller]

LMAO, I'll take video footage over verbal testimony any days of the week...:gesture:

see, it was not convienient for you to use that testimony of what happen... had it been for your cause then you'd be all over it

[MadseasoN]

there are so many loop holes in those ammendments though... Freedom of speech can be interpreted in so many ways... treason, slander, defamation of character... all says free speech is not exactly free. you throw that out when it's convienient. i could theoretically shot someone for my freedom of expression... i was expressing in my own way that i do not like that asshole!!

There are no 'loops' in the Bill of Rights, bro.

The dude wasn't committing treason, slander, etc. He was stating facts/setting up his question - which he never got around to. If Kerry wasn't such a puss he could've easily said 'no, let him ask his question'. He didn't do that because he wanted the guy removed.

The 'shooting' example is a bad one, I think. In that case you'd be violating someone else's rights. This guy was speaking his mind about a political issue which does not deny anyone else thier rights.

[sillywabbit]

F' it, I'm glad he got tasered now. +1 to Gixxer Bill

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

there are so many loop holes in those ammendments though... Freedom of speech can be interpreted in so many ways... treason, slander, defamation of character... all says free speech is not exactly free. you throw that out when it's convienient. i could theoretically shot someone for my freedom of expression... i was expressing in my own way that i do not like that asshole!!

Yeah but you will have effectively broken another law, thus appointing the burden of guilt on yourself...freedom of speech is not as ambiguous as you make it out to be. regardless of any other potential circumstance, we can only speak on that which has occurred and this guy was not abridging anyone else's freedoms nor was he reprehensibly conducting himself within that forum...

[sillywabbit]

There are no 'loops' in the Bill of Rights, bro.

The dude wasn't committing treason, slander, etc. He was stating facts/setting up his question - which he never got around to. If Kerry wasn't such a puss he could've easily said 'no, let him ask his question'. He didn't do that because he wanted the guy removed.
.


He did tell them that he would answer his questions. Get all your facts straight.

P.S. I still think Kerry is a puss, but not for this. He did tell them to stop and let him answer the @sshats questions.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

there is video of bigfoot too, so thats gotta be true

...back away from the computer bud :thumb:

[MadseasoN]

He did tell them that he would answer his questions. Get all your facts straight.

P.S. I still think Kerry is a puss, but not for this. He did tell them to stop and let him answer the @sshats questions.

He didn't mean it. Otherwise he would've ordered the police to stop what they were doing and let the guy finish. Kerry knew what he was doing, he's not stupid.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

see, it was not convienient for you to use that testimony of what happen... had it been for your cause then you'd be all over it

No, it's just that even in the court of law, such is deemed to be more valid a method of evidence...video evidence that is...(I'm part lawyer for the record)

[sbfuller]

There are no 'loops' in the Bill of Rights, bro.

The dude wasn't committing treason, slander, etc. He was stating facts/setting up his question - which he never got around to. If Kerry wasn't such a puss he could've easily said 'no, let him ask his question'. He didn't do that because he wanted the guy removed.

The 'shooting' example is a bad one, I think. In that case you'd be violating someone else's rights. This guy was speaking his mind about a political issue which does not deny anyone else thier rights.read sillywabbit's post with the link to the witness, what did she say kerry did?

[sillywabbit]

He didn't mean it. Otherwise he would've ordered the police to stop what they were doing and let the guy finish. Kerry knew what he was doing, he's not stupid.

cops didn't mean to taser the dude either.

Read the article man, not just the tiny video

[sbfuller]

No, it's just that even in the court of law, such is deemed to be more valid a method of evidence...video evidence that is...(I'm part lawyer for the record)

what part?

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

There are no 'loops' in the Bill of Rights, bro.

The dude wasn't committing treason, slander, etc. He was stating facts/setting up his question - which he never got around to. If Kerry wasn't such a puss he could've easily said 'no, let him ask his question'. He didn't do that because he wanted the guy removed.

The 'shooting' example is a bad one, I think. In that case you'd be violating someone else's rights. This guy was speaking his mind about a political issue which does not deny anyone else thier rights.

+1...why the hell bring up either treason, slander, etc when it has no bearing on anything with regard to what we are discussing. Not directly anyway...

p.s.
Kerry still answered the question as the guy was being removed so I don't think it is Kerry who had him removed but rather some person or group of persons associated with the school.

[sbfuller]

cops didn't mean to taser the dude either.

Read the article man, not just the tiny video

if the dude was black, al sharpton would be all over it... but he is white so move on... that's another debate

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

what part?

Irrelevant, just know that what I'm saying holds true...

[sillywabbit]

bah, I'm bailing this thread, people aren't open to looking at all sides of the story.

In sumation: Tasering the dude was eccessive, and does need to be dealt with. Removing the @sshat was the right thing to do.

goodbye.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

if the dude was black, al sharpton would be all over it... but he is white so move on... that's another debate

lmao, Left field anybody...

Think you have some pent up emotions...

[MadseasoN]

cops didn't mean to taser the dude either.

Read the article man, not just the tiny video

Article shmarticle.

I believe nothing that I read and only half of what I see. :thumb:

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

bah, I'm bailing this thread, people aren't open to looking at all sides of the story.

In sumation: Tasering the dude was eccessive, and does need to be dealt with. Removing the @sshat was the right thing to do.

goodbye.

lol, wow...g'bye then, can't take the heat...get ya a$$ out the kitchen. Not sure where folks aren't open to all sides...I think there is more an issue with not dealing in verifiable facts and providing sufficient, logical, relevant arguments than there is with folks not seeing all sides...

[Gixxer Geezer]

Article shmarticle.

I believe nothing that I read and only half of what I see. :thumb:



admit nothing, deny everything, and volunteer for nothing... manlaw.

[sbfuller]

lmao, Left field anybody...

Think you have some pent up emotions...

the whole racist card just gets on my nerves...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Article shmarticle.

I believe nothing that I read and only half of what I see. :thumb:

+1...real talk for the '08

[Gixxer Geezer]

the whole racist card just gets on my nerves...



makes me nervous..

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

the whole racist card just gets on my nerves...

Yeah but no one here pulled it...so what the hell? :keke:

[sbfuller]

lol, wow...g'bye then, can't take the heat...get ya a$$ out the kitchen. Not sure where folks aren't open to all sides...I think there is more an issue with not dealing in verifiable facts and providing sufficient, logical, relevant arguments than there is with folks not seeing all sides...

you won't accept the fact that he was at a forum, the forum has rules, rules were boken, he got punished... it may have been a little harsh but i bet he won't do it again and it tought other people a lesson as well

[sbfuller]

Yeah but no one here pulled it...so what the hell? :keke:

i just posted a thread about that "jena 6" and i was thinking about how much i hate al sharpton. i know he'd be all over everybody if that kid that got tasered was black. but since the guy is white, then al sharpton is saying nothing about it.

[MadseasoN]

you won't accept the fact that he was at a forum, the forum has rules, rules were boken, he got punished... it may have been a little harsh but i bet he won't do it again and it tought other people a lesson as well

I can see your point. However, if the Gov. is allowed to supress Free Speech in certain forums then it's only a matter of time until the forum is 'anywhere' and 'everywhere'. What good is Free Speech then? We get to sit at home and say what we like? What good is that??

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

you won't accept the fact that he was at a forum, the forum has rules, rules were boken, he got punished... it may have been a little harsh but i bet he won't do it again and it tought other people a lesson as well

LMAO, to address the above, summarily:

1) I both suggested and agreed that it was a forum (remember that I wasn't the one who distinguished it as a ceremony)
2) We don't know that the rules were broken because, we uh, don't know the rules

What we do know:
1) He spoke for precisely 1 minute 31 seconds
2) He was removed by 5+ officers
3) He was tased
4) This was a forum
5) The purpose of a forum is dialogue
6) He was at least initially allowed the opportunity to speak

[sbfuller]

I can see your point. However, if the Gov. is allowed to supress Free Speech in certain forums then it's only a matter of time until the forum is 'anywhere' and 'everywhere'. What good is Free Speech then? We get to sit at home and say what we like? What good is that??

i don't think it has to do with free speech... he could have asked his question if he would have waited his turn and asked in a polite manner. he didn't so he was denied his chance to ask questions.

[Crystalline]

the whole racist card just gets on my nerves...

Didn't you just pull it out though....



errrr... ???

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

i just posted a thread about that "jena 6" and i was thinking about how much i hate al sharpton. i know he'd be all over everybody if that kid that got tasered was black. but since the guy is white, then al sharpton is saying nothing about it.

Aight, well lets keep those comment relative to the Jena case in the Jena thread. It gets a lil confusing for one and two, it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Didn't you just pull it out though....



errrr... ???

LMAO, didn't think about that but it's rather true :keke:

[Gixxer Geezer]

Aight, well lets keep those comment relative to the Jena case in the Jena thread. It gets a lil confusing for one and two, it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand...



thats right.. stop trying to confuse the issue at hand..