comments about this?

[speedismo]

came across this, check out these links, it talks about avg IQ/avg income of each state and whom did they vote for!

http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~gcharter/iq.txt

http://www.sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm

http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQpolitics.htm

:laughing6 I am not sure how valid this data is, I havent independently verified, but I would love to hear what you guyz think about this. kinda seems to be making sense though:keke:

[paniro187]

:laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6

[BigComfy]

shhhhhh

[BigComfy]

wow is it me or did it get awfully quite in here?

[CBR_Ryder]

I already knew i was stupid... didnt have to show me.

[CBR_Ryder]

wait... what??

[ArturoC]

My IQ is too low to understand all that gobbldegook!

[AliceInChains02]

i knew we weren't the dumbest state

[AliceInChains02]

http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm

apparently your first link is a hoax

[speedismo]

Yeah, i read some others calling it a hoax, but seems its mostly true and the hoax part is mostly ppl pointing out statistical errors and this that. Even if IQ figures were wrong lets say, avg income figures, or the urban/rural state fact is not.
but ROFLMAO, none of the usual REPUBLICAN CHAMPIONS made an appearance in this thread!!!!:laughing6 :laughing6

[RACER X]

i've read it seen it, oh well.......bush 2 more yrs bitches........lol

btw, i also vote issues vs party lines, just seems more often republicans feel the same way i do

GO PEROT!

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Very interesting...and although I hate the possiblity that Texas may be in the lower end of the IQ scale on avg....I must say that there were alot of "geniuses" voting for Bush strictly on the basis' of either his political affiliation or the fact that their "parents were voting" for him...

[RACER X]

statistics are a wonderful thing.......lol

[texasyankee]

This proves Mark Twains saying "there are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics."

Without adjusting for the cost of living and standard of living, this is meaningless. Compare the average house in size and cost in New York City, Boston or Washington, DC with Houston and then tell me where you would like to live.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

This proves Mark Twains saying "there are three kinds of lies, lies, damn lies and statistics."

Without adjusting for the cost of living and standard of living, this is meaningless. Compare the average house in size and cost in New York City, Boston or Washington, DC with Houston and then tell me where you would like to live.

Yea and I don't remember taking an unofficial or private (as in, not for official uses only) IQ exams in the last five years. Do any of you?

[RACER X]

not 5 , maybe 10, ok 15 w/ the oldheimers factor

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Yep...

I hate when I'm watchin the news (which is damn near all the time, even at work) and you hear about a poll that was recently taken and the anchor uses the words "The american people..." in conjunction with "believe that..."-what ever the poll suggests-...as if to say that based on the poll results, the entirety of the american public believes whatever the hell the poll suggests, yet I think to myself that I hadn't taken that poll n don't know anyone that has...

btw, for those of you that say that they've got "polling" down to an "exact" science. I call bOOlshyt because at the end of the day...I DID NOT -TAKE- THE POLL...

[law750]

My IQ is much higher than any of those averages (as I'm sure many of yours are), and I voted for Bush. Further, I have two degrees in political science. I'd like to see those figures. I hate Bush though . . . so, if I had had any choice, I wouldn't have voted for him, and I believe he's been a rather poor president. SO . . . .maybe there's some truth to it.

[AliceInChains02]

polls have a margin of error based on how many people they polled. if they poll 5000 people on an issue the margin of error is pretty small

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

. . . so, if I had had any choice, I wouldn't have voted for him...

Just a little curious what was meant by this?

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

polls have a margin of error based on how many people they polled. if they poll 5000 people on an issue the margin of error is pretty small

I realize this but as I said before, I wasn't proven empirically, to believe anything that the poll suggest had I not taken a part in said poll.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

suggests*

[law750]

Well, it was either vote for a very bad hardly conservative candidate, or vote for a very bad VERY LIBERAL candidate. I came close to voting libertarian, but decided that MAYBE he'd do better than I expected. Next time I'm in that situation, I'm voting libertarian. I'm very conservative if that isn't already apparent -

[Moody]

Libertarian all the way!

[speedismo]

Yep...

I hate when I'm watchin the news (which is damn near all the time, even at work) and you hear about a poll that was recently taken and the anchor uses the words "The american people..." in conjunction with "believe that..."-what ever the poll suggests-...as if to say that based on the poll results, the entirety of the american public believes whatever the hell the poll suggests, yet I think to myself that I hadn't taken that poll n don't know anyone that has...

btw, for those of you that say that they've got "polling" down to an "exact" science. I call bOOlshyt because at the end of the day...I DID NOT -TAKE- THE POLL...
Although it means me negating my own argument (kind of), i m with u on this one. marketing research is a lot of crap. most of these surveys, empirical data, stats, watevr u call them, r full of bullcrap. PERIOD.

having said that, its also a fact that most mostly rural states do have lower levels of education and hence lower IQ. they might have a bigger house and a bigger car (oops truck) than a yankee from up north, but thast doesnt really imply bigger brains too. its an established fact that IQ and education have a direct correlation and its also an established fact that states like texas, louisiana, missouri etc have lower levels of education that a state like rhode island or mass or delaware..correct me if i m wrong..

[speedismo]

Libertarian all the way!

whole world s gonna be liberal one day. its just a matter of when the conservatives loose their ignorance.:keke:

[RACER X]

its an established fact that IQ and education have a direct correlation and its also an established fact that states like texas, louisiana, missouri etc have lower levels of education that a state like rhode island or mass or delaware..correct me if i m wrong..
thats the argument for why older riders die more often........cuz they're so many more of them, same w/ people and IQ , down south vs up north. ya know the bell curve thingy.

[kstrs]

Yeah, i read some others calling it a hoax, but seems its mostly true and the hoax part is mostly ppl pointing out statistical errors and this that. Even if IQ figures were wrong lets say, avg income figures, or the urban/rural state fact is not.
but ROFLMAO, none of the usual REPUBLICAN CHAMPIONS made an appearance in this thread!!!!:laughing6 :laughing6

Six year old sour grapes stink, response not needed. :happy3:

[speedismo]

thats the argument for why older riders die more often........cuz they're so many more of them, same w/ people and IQ , down south vs up north. ya know the bell curve thingy.

and have u ever heard of a term called AVERAGE? even if there s 2 ppl in one group and 200 in another, they r still comparable because AVERAGE is ALWAYS per person. and we r talkin average here, not absolute number!!!

but then, why would i even argue with somebody of your MUCHISMO calibre!:BangHead:

[RACER X]

but then, why would i even argue with somebody of your MUCHISMO calibre!:BangHead:
crazy i tell ya.......

[flipboy326]

(40) Texas........................92 $17,892 Bush

so its saying that the avg person in TX makes 17k? wowza!

[law750]

Libertarian . . . not liberal - good lord. It's almost the opposite

[MadseasoN]

(40) Texas........................92 $17,892 Bush

so its saying that the avg person in TX makes 17k? wowza!

Those are old numbers. I'd guess somewhere around $30K.

[RACER X]

Those are old numbers. I'd guess somewhere around $30K.
naw.......it's not that high. 18-20tops i bet. you and the people most of is associate w/ are in the minority, there are alot of poor people in this state.

[MadseasoN]

naw.......it's not that high. 18-20tops i bet. you and the people most of is associate w/ are in the minority, there are alot of poor people in this state.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

You're gonna challenge my guess with another guess? Here you go:

"The average annual wages of employees in the Southwest states ranged from $28,074 in Arkansas to $36,248 in Texas in 2002, according to data from the U.S. Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)."

"Among the 44 metropolitan areas in the Southwest, Dallas, Texas led the region with an average annual wage level of $43,000, followed closely by Houston, Texas at $42,712 and Austin-San Marcos, Texas with $39,540."

http://www.bls.gov/ro6/ro6pay.htm

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Although it means me negating my own argument (kind of), i m with u on this one. marketing research is a lot of crap. most of these surveys, empirical data, stats, watevr u call them, r full of bullcrap. PERIOD.

having said that, its also a fact that most mostly rural states do have lower levels of education and hence lower IQ. they might have a bigger house and a bigger car (oops truck) than a yankee from up north, but thast doesnt really imply bigger brains too. its an established fact that IQ and education have a direct correlation and its also an established fact that states like texas, louisiana, missouri etc have lower levels of education that a state like rhode island or mass or delaware..correct me if i m wrong..

We are in agreement on both points.

LMAO at the thought of Libertarian being the same as Liberal...:laughing6

I myself am a Conservative, with that said...I am not Republican, I just happen to have grown up catholic and strongly disagree with a lot of the more liberal minds out there...aside from that, I really hope that we can get away from the "party" system and get back to good ol "best man for the job" political voting...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

WTF is that supposed to mean?

You're gonna challenge my guess with another guess? Here you go:

"The average annual wages of employees in the Southwest states ranged from $28,074 in Arkansas to $36,248 in Texas in 2002, according to data from the U.S. Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)."

"Among the 44 metropolitan areas in the Southwest, Dallas, Texas led the region with an average annual wage level of $43,000, followed closely by Houston, Texas at $42,712 and Austin-San Marcos, Texas with $39,540."

http://www.bls.gov/ro6/ro6pay.htm

DenHou...you aight with me mane :icon_thum

It is far better to deal in facts than in opinion, I got into trouble with that a few weeks ago and it shall not happen again...

[RACER X]

guess i was wrong........D'oh, figured there were alot more poor people in TX.

back to that statistics thing again. wonder if that # is including illegals who don't report taxes.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

...back to that statistics thing again. wonder if that # is including illegals who don't report taxes.

HELL NO...

[MadseasoN]

DenHou...you aight with me mane :icon_thum

It is far better to deal in facts than in opinion, I got into trouble with that a few weeks ago and it shall not happen again...


Ok I read it again. Now I understand what he's saying (my bad, RacerX). But you're wrong. I know people from all backgrounds. In fact I was raised by a single parent who made minimum wage.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Wish we could "track" um though...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Ok I read it again. Now I understand what he's saying (my bad, RacerX). But you're wrong. I know people from all backgrounds. In fact I was raised by a single parent who made minimum wage.

You quoted me but I'm tryin to not assume you are referring to me when you are accusing someone of being wrong...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Gotcha...

Firefox...the way to go

[MadseasoN]

You quoted me but I'm tryin to not assume you are referring to me when you are accusing someone of being wrong...

I meant RacerX was wrong in his assumption that I don't know any 'poor' people.


(Damn this internet connection. It's messing up the flow)

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

I meant RacerX was wrong in his assumption that I don't know any 'poor' people.


(Damn this internet connection. It's messing up the flow)

Lol...I hate that. But yeah, that's why it's bad to "assume"...

[jrock]

Misinformation=Lies=public polls.

[paniro187]

i find it funny though when a poll says something bad about bush republicans say all polls a shit blah blah blah........then when when a poll say something good they point out the polls. sean hannity is real bad about that shit.

[Patrick]

Polls used to be a good way of getting a "feel" for how the country was feeling about things.
Unfortunately in todays media controlled world, it's all too easy to manipulate results in order to promote an agenda.

Best advice I can give; get your news from non U.S. based media, or learn to read between the lines of both the liberal and the conservative media here.

As far as polls, make your own, post it in a couple of forums and the tally the results yourself, it'll be much more realistic.

[AliceInChains02]

Polls used to be a good way of getting a "feel" for how the country was feeling about things.
Unfortunately in todays media controlled world, it's all too easy to manipulate results in order to promote an agenda.

racer x comes to mind:keke:


Best advice I can give; get your news from non U.S. based media, or learn to read between the lines of both the liberal and the conservative media here.

a lot of non US based media can be just as biased as US media. like http://www.diariocolatino.com/
it's just human nature to try to see what you want. like catholics and their virgin mary grilled cheese sandwiches

As far as polls, make your own, post it in a couple of forums and the tally the results yourself, it'll be much more realistic.

except you'd be counting out the "people who aren't members of internet forums" group which pretty much means elderly...which isn't such a bad idea
.

[flipboy326]

back to that statistics thing again. wonder if that # is including illegals who don't report taxes.

:BangHead: DOH!!!