fitness guys have a supplement question

[mekrew]

here goes .....

Rage RV5 thoughts .........

friend took it and it trying to convince me ... but i dunno how much i trust any hgh or anything where i have to take liver pills and estrogen blockers

end desired goal ... 10-15lbs addition ... been stuck ~195 forever and a day, would love to be 210-215

right now just taking serious mass and all the other goodies that goes with putting on weight

[po-po 5.0]

Keep doing what you're doing. All of the hgh supplements you can buy at GNC are pure shit.

[ENDO_monkey]

EAT!

[mekrew]

been there done that ... i have an out of this world metabolism

[kdog22]

Keep doing what you're doing. All of the hgh supplements you can buy at GNC are pure shit.

What kind of hgh supplements can you buy at a nutrition store? I've never really looked. Just curious.

[quicksaveme]

HGH is dangerous. People don't understand what it really does. It's not like your typical testorone steroid. Everything grows on HGH, including your organs. Do you feel like spending the money to have test ran regularly to make sure your liver isn't too big, or your heart???

Think about it.

[mekrew]

HGH is dangerous. People don't understand what it really does. It's not like your typical testorone steroid. Everything grows on HGH, including your organs. Do you feel like spending the money to have test ran regularly to make sure your liver isn't too big, or your heart???

Think about it.

trust me i researched it ... i know another concern of mine

[quicksaveme]

trust me i researched it ... i know another concern of mine


There you go. How long have you been lifting? What's your diet like? What are your stats right now?

[mekrew]

just got back into more weight lifting as I have been maintaining the cut look i want through pure calisthenics workouts.

for diet now i am trying 3 big meals 2-3 smalls between, serious mass 2x a day, yes healthy meals which is a pain in the ass but oh well.

havent had a body fat test in a while but overall 6'3-6'4 198 last time i was on the scale.

now im looking to try and put on that 10-15 lbs to fill out a bit but maintain a nice physique, not want a "bulky" look

like i said reason i asked is friend suggested it but im like ehhhhhhhhhh so i wanted other opinions.

i have a friend who does fitness comps and body builder stuff and got the yes/no from them after they researched the product

[ENDO_monkey]

been there done that ... i have an out of this world metabolism

Then you arent doing it right. Eat more. Seriously.

[mekrew]

awww man

[quicksaveme]

just got back into more weight lifting as I have been maintaining the cut look i want through pure calisthenics workouts.

for diet now i am trying 3 big meals 2 smalls between, serious mass 2x a day, yes healthy meals which is a pain in the ass but oh well.

havent had a body fat test in a while but overall 6'3-6'4 198 last time i was on the scale.

That's pretty solid. Well, eating "healthy" is relative to a lot of people, and in some cases it really doesn't matter. Do you know about how many calories your eating a day?

I know a lot of people think they have a good idea just by guessing, but you would be surprised at how far off you are when you actually count. If you're 198 and you are 'cut' at all you are probably no more than 14%bf and no less than 10%. I would say if you aren't eating at LEAST 3100 calories a day, you're going to have trouble gaining weight.

I just 'assumed' your bf% to be 11. So you can decide if that's high or low for yourself. At 11% bf @ 198lbs you have about 176lbs of lean body mass. That just means if you were in a coma your body would need about 2700 calories a day to NOT lose weight. So to gain weight as you know, you need to up that amount by smaller increments until you are at a good steady gain. I would start with about 500 above maintenance and see how much fat you gain and decide if you like it or not before you change it :shrug:

[mekrew]

i dont calorie count i just eat lol

cool will try it ... like i said i just started on the cycle of serious mass and added in the 2-3 small meals a day so that might make the difference that I am looking for, just was curious about the alternative

[quicksaveme]

i dont calorie count i just eat lol

cool will try it ... like i said i just started on the cycle of serious mass and added in the 2-3 small meals a day so that might make the difference that I am looking for, just was curious about the alternative

:keke: Yeah, i don't blame you man.

The thing is, if you count EVERYTHING you eat in one day, just one day, you'll get a good idea of what it SHOULD look like. The good thing about gaining is you can never really do it wrong... it would just take more time. Cutting, as you probably know is a bit different.

It just boils down to simple science. If you aren't eating MORE calories than your body needs/burns throughout the week, you WILL NOT gain weight. Contrary, if you are eating MORE calories than your body needs/burns throughout the week, you WILL NOT lose any weight :hs:

So easy, so hard.

[mekrew]

so true so true .... oh well i might start a personal thread and see my gain over time

[quicksaveme]

Hell yea that's a good idea. It gets boring and what not,but really how can you go wrong ya know? I do the same thing. I would rather take the time to write everything I eat/life one time, than spend FOREVER trying to figure out why my body isn't changing.

[paniro187]

so true so true .... oh well i might start a personal thread and see my gain over time
get swole than a mof

[mekrew]

already .....

[DanteLee]

wow same stats as you 6'3' but im 250 lbs. i eats and lift and eats and lift and sex and eat then lift then alot more sex.

[quicksaveme]

wow same stats as you 6'3' but im 250 lbs. i eats and lift and eats and lift and sex and eat then lift then alot more sex.

pretty solid routine :nod:

[po-po 5.0]

What kind of hgh supplements can you buy at a nutrition store? I've never really looked. Just curious.

Off the top of my head, I can't think of a particular name brand. I bet if you picked up any musclebulding rag you'd see ads for several, though. I don't bother with any of it as it is all crap....it doesn't work.

[quicksaveme]

Off the top of my head, I can't think of a particular name brand. I bet if you picked up any musclebulding rag you'd see ads for several, though. I don't bother with any of it as it is all crap....it doesn't work.

I don't know, that's a pretty vague statement. I think it depends on what you buy, how you use it, and what you're expecting.

[wever411]

like milk? drink a lot of it, you're metabolism won't know what hit it.

[bluewave18]

I bought 100 nut shrinking amps of Omnadren at a GNC in Poland. LOL

[4x4 AG]

just got back into more weight lifting as I have been maintaining the cut look i want through pure calisthenics workouts.

for diet now i am trying 3 big meals 2-3 smalls between, serious mass 2x a day, yes healthy meals which is a pain in the ass but oh well.

havent had a body fat test in a while but overall 6'3-6'4 198 last time i was on the scale.

now im looking to try and put on that 10-15 lbs to fill out a bit but maintain a nice physique, not want a "bulky" look

like i said reason i asked is friend suggested it but im like ehhhhhhhhhh so i wanted other opinions.

i have a friend who does fitness comps and body builder stuff and got the yes/no from them after they researched the product

I see a problem with your first sentence. If you are wanting to put on mass, don't burn it off.

This is just my opinion, and everyone else has theres, but i have been working out in different aspects for a long time. and i think this is the best way to put on some mass. First your diet is KEY. there are no "legal" wonder drugs out there. You have to eat good and put only good stuff in your meals. Someone mentioned milk, i agree, got whole milk, or raw milk if you can handle it. secondly, a ton of protein. not shakes, most of them just have fillers and crap in them, protein that is found in food. also, you need some good fats, nuts and seed, and olive oil, etc. not too much though.

As far as workouts. you don't want cardio, you will only burn off what you ate and not put anything on. you need heavy lifting and just a little cardio mixed in.

IMO, find a Crossfit gym in your area, they are all over town, and go in and do a workout. I promise they will get your diet in check, and definately kick your butt in a workout.

[wever411]

is crossfit any good for putting on size? or is it just a conditioning/cardio type workout?

[JMAC]

Start adding half cup old fashioned oatmeal with flaxseed oil to your protein shakes(blended obviously)
Make shake with casein protein, oatmeal, peanut butter before bed
These calories add up fast
If you start getting too soft, exercise more/up intensity

[mekrew]

lesson learned yesterday

if you think you are lactose intolerant dont make your shakes, oatmeal and drink milk through out the day ... because if you are lactose intolerant you will pay dearly

:-/

[bluewave18]

That's how you drop weight. LOL

[mekrew]

lol no crap totally opposite of what im trying to do

[K. Oliveira]

rage makes really good prohormones. I did their VCUTS and it was awesome. My trainer says the results are very close to that of winstrol. but if its methylated your gonna need a liver support and be mindfull of any lower back pain which could mean kidney stones or liver enzymes are reaching through the roof. and be sure to take a good PCT. Novedex xt worked well for me.

[po-po 5.0]

lesson learned yesterday

if you think you are lactose intolerant dont make your shakes, oatmeal and drink milk through out the day ... because if you are lactose intolerant you will pay dearly

:-/

there's no lactose in 100% whey protein. However, you're fucking yourself drinking milk for sure!

[paniro187]

lesson learned yesterday

if you think you are lactose intolerant dont make your shakes, oatmeal and drink milk through out the day ... because if you are lactose intolerant you will pay dearly

:-/i'm not lactose intolerant but if i make my shakes with milk it will give me the runs. :-/ i make my shakes with water now. myoplex from wally world. and when in a pinch i get the ready made 42g of protein myoplex from wally world. it's getting meh teh swole.

[paniro187]

rage makes really good prohormones. I did their VCUTS and it was awesome. My trainer says the results are very close to that of winstrol. but if its methylated your gonna need a liver support and be mindfull of any lower back pain which could mean kidney stones or liver enzymes are reaching through the roof. and be sure to take a good PCT. Novedex xt worked well for me.

popo and blue wave will burn you dealerly for this statement in their opinion no prohormone works they are all junk and it's in your head.

[paniro187]

btw mekrew what's your fiber intake looking like. there's easy ways toget your fiber with fiber one cereal and high fiber oatmeal.

[po-po 5.0]

popo and blue wave will burn you dealerly for this statement in their opinion no prohormone works they are all junk and it's in your head.


Pretty much. The same results can be acheived by eating.

[mekrew]

btw mekrew what's your fiber intake looking like. there's easy ways toget your fiber with fiber one cereal and high fiber oatmeal.

high fiber oatmeal 2x a day right now

[paniro187]

Pretty much. The same results can be acheived by eating.

which is also in YOUR head.

[paniro187]

high fiber oatmeal 2x a day right now

cool i eat two packets every morning that's 80 percent of what you're supposed to have in a day. :)

[po-po 5.0]

which is also in YOUR head.

Eating is in my head? Well, I guess the food does go into my head.....

Prohormones are totally in your head. If they actually worked, they'd be classified as steriods and banned as such. However, what they do is convince a user that they're "on" which makes them do all the right things in the gym and at the table.

[paniro187]

Eating is in my head? Well, I guess the food does go into my head.....

Prohormones are totally in your head. If they actually worked, they'd be classified as steriods and banned as such. However, what they do is convince a user that they're "on" which makes them do all the right things in the gym and at the table.but what if you don't do the right things in the gym and at the table and you start really cutting down and gaining muscle like i did?? what will you say then?? i have recently started to eat very right and do more in the gym. heck even on real gear yu gotta eat right and do better in the gym to see more results......

why do i keep dragging myself into these things.

anyway they work for me and the same as any product you are going to have people that say they work for them and people that say other wise. my blood test showed my test levels to be elevated above normal. but it's in my head. go figure. :shrug:

[K. Oliveira]

As of January 1,2010 prohormones have been banned. And it is a violation to have them, same
As steroids. I worked for smart drinks when we got the letter to take them all down. I work at vitamin shoppe now and any andro products we aren't allowed to sell.

[paniro187]

As of January 1,2010 prohormones have been banned. And it is a violation to have them, same
As steroids. I worked for smart drinks when we got the letter to take them all down. I work at vitamin shoppe now and any andro products we aren't allowed to sell. i already know this and you knew this but..........




it's in your head.

[K. Oliveira]

Prohormones like superdrol, 1,4 AD (bold clone) do work and raise test and liver enzymes substaintally and need liver support bc of how strong they are. I've taken 1,4AD and have two friends that are idiot and got kidney stones from PH. And no, I'm not trying to start a debate or sound aggressive in any way, only stating that my encounters with bodybuilders and PH's are very real and not "in my head"

[paniro187]

Prohormones like superdrol, 1,4 AD (bold clone) do work and raise test and liver enzymes substaintally and need liver support bc of how strong they are. I've taken 1,4AD and have two friends that are idiot and got kidney stones from PH. And no, I'm not trying to start a debate or sound aggressive in any way, only stating that my encounters with bodybuilders and PH's are very real and not "in my head"


nope it's in your head. they don't work. you can put every proof and true testament at the front that you want.

figment of your imagination.

[bluewave18]

popo and blue wave will burn you dealerly for this statement in their opinion no prohormone works they are all junk and it's in your head.

No. My opinion is get the real shit. Some people talk about PH from GNC or similar then PCT from GNC. Some don't seem to understand that PCT from GNC is BS all the way.

To think that these these store bought HP's really require PCT is fucking ignorant as hell.

I wont say don't do absolutely nothing. I took Andro over 10 years ago. I felt it gave positive results. The use and expense also helped diet and workout motivation. I can say for sure what part was the compounds and what was diet.
Andro was also banned.

[paniro187]

No. My opinion is get the real shit. Some people talk about PH from GNC or similar then PCT from GNC. Some don't seem to understand that PCT from GNC is BS all the way.

To think that these these store bought HP's really require PCT is fucking ignorant as hell.

I wont say don't do absolutely nothing. I took Andro over 10 years ago. I felt it gave positive results. The use and expense also helped diet and workout motivation. I can say for sure what part was the compounds and what was diet.
Andro was also banned.

ok i agree with this like i said i don't think it'sd near on the level as the real stuf that's for darn sure i think a person would be a idiot to think otherwise. as far as pct i do use it but the pct from gnc but i do use the testradex from ctd labs really just as a precaution.

[bluewave18]

Prohormones like superdrol, 1,4 AD (bold clone) do work and raise test and liver enzymes substaintally and need liver support bc of how strong they are. I've taken 1,4AD and have two friends that are idiot and got kidney stones from PH. And no, I'm not trying to start a debate or sound aggressive in any way, only stating that my encounters with bodybuilders and PH's are very real and not "in my head"

I did a 12 week cycle of 500 mg weekly of Sustanon and 25mg daily of dbol x 6 weeks. I had liver values checked before and 2 weeks after the end of the cycle. The values were not substantially higher and I have never had kidney stones. My test levels were over 1000 though.

Your friends were likely dehydrated. Either way stones would not prove their effectiveness at all. It proves they are a waste of money to me.

[paniro187]

I did a 12 week cycle of 500 mg weekly of Sustanon and 25mg daily of dbol x 6 weeks. I had liver values checked before and 2 weeks after the end of the cycle. The values were not substantially higher and I have never had kidney stones. My test levels were over 1000 though.

Your friends were likely dehydrated. Either way stones would not prove their effectiveness at all. It proves they are a waste of money to me.
i think sometimes this stuff just affects people that are more prone to it. what do you think??

[bluewave18]

ok i agree with this like i said i don't think it'sd near on the level as the real stuf that's for darn sure i think a person would be a idiot to think otherwise. as far as pct i do use it but the pct from gnc but i do use the testradex from ctd labs really just as a precaution.

Just trust me that the PCT is worthless. They are combining test name with a real pct name and selling you junk. That's all.

I will could sell you some TestBoldWinniSustEQDecaNolvaTrenabol. LOL

Tell me that doesn't sound legit.

[po-po 5.0]

Prohormones like superdrol, 1,4 AD (bold clone) do work and raise test and liver enzymes substaintally and need liver support bc of how strong they are. I've taken 1,4AD and have two friends that are idiot and got kidney stones from PH. And no, I'm not trying to start a debate or sound aggressive in any way, only stating that my encounters with bodybuilders and PH's are very real and not "in my head"


I have a perscription for indocin that sends my liver values through the motherfucking roof! ZOMG! It must be roids and I didn't even know it!!!!!




Oh wait, its just an NSAID.

[bluewave18]

Im fixing to market this TestBoldWinniSustEQDecaNolvaTrenabol like they did in Bigger Stronger Faster

Its juice and PCT all in one pill

[paniro187]

Just trust me that the PCT is worthless. They are combining test name with a real pct name and selling you junk. That's all.

I will could sell you some TestBoldWinniSustEQDecaNolvaTrenabol. LOL

Tell me that doesn't sound legit.:rofl:

i got some of that yesterday. 1000 mg in a half caplet


:eekspin:

[po-po 5.0]

Im fixing to market this TestBoldWinniSustEQDecaNolvaTrenabol like they did in Bigger Stronger Faster

Its juice and PCT all in one pill

is it enanthate or acetate? Enanthate makes me all bloaty :keke:

[bluewave18]

Its a new ester I will call aceathate. All the positives and no negatives.

[K. Oliveira]

Lol you can't have conversations with anyone on this forum without em getting but hurt and pulling out the cocks and measuring tapes. Alright y'all "win" whatever verbal argument your trying to engage in. I'm sorry we are all just swimming in a pool of wrong while you sit there on your righteous island of right

[bluewave18]

Lol you can't have conversations with anyone on this forum without em getting but hurt and pulling out the cocks and measuring tapes. Alright y'all "win" whatever verbal argument your trying to engage in. I'm sorry we are all just swimming in a pool of wrong while you sit there on your righteous island of right

You have already admitted you don't really know shit about the subject. Can you see the difference yet? Knowing, doing, and hearing some shit one time is three different things.

[po-po 5.0]

Lol you can't have conversations with anyone on this forum without em getting but hurt and pulling out the cocks and measuring tapes. Alright y'all "win" whatever verbal argument your trying to engage in. I'm sorry we are all just swimming in a pool of wrong while you sit there on your righteous island of right


i want to be in a pool :sad:

[bluewave18]

You probably believe the fitness models in the ads for products got that way from the products they are paid to endorse.

[bluewave18]

i want to be in a pool :sad:

I already pissed in it..twice

[paniro187]

You probably believe the fitness models in the ads for products got that way from the products they are paid to endorse.i doubt anyone believes that.

[bluewave18]

Really. I firmly believe there are those that do. Just like those who want to believe that stupid ass arm shaking weight rips you up in 6 min. a day. Or that hot ass Bowflex grandmother got that way with a Bowflex.

[paniro187]

Really. I firmly believe there are those that do. Just like those who want to believe that stupid ass arm shaking weight rips you up in 6 min. a day. Or that hot ass Bowflex grandmother got that way with a Bowflex.i could have sore on those commercials there is a small disclaimer that says something to the effect of they didn't get liek that with this . :shrug:

[bluewave18]

They usually say results not typical

[K. Oliveira]

Really. I firmly believe there are those that do. Just like those who want to believe that stupid ass arm shaking weight rips you up in 6 min. a day. Or that hot ass Bowflex grandmother got that way with a Bowflex.

:rofl::rofl:we may not agree on PH's but DAMN thats true haha. RESULTS NOT TYPICAL, and they still RUN for the credit cards to order the shit hahah.

[bluewave18]

I was telling a guy at work about how stupid a person would have to be to buy into the arm weight shakin things. He had a fucked up look on his face. He then admitted he had just bought 2. He was all about the ripped body in only 6 min. I told him I would sell him one that does it in 5 min.

[gtdrivr]

Damn. I am 6'1", 200lbs. I put down around 7k cal/day. minimum 6k, some days closer to 10k. Food!! just make sure you get sufficient protein.

[mekrew]

ill hit u up tomorrow

thx

[bluewave18]

If you got time hit me up at 281 682 0408y trainer got me that way to gain mass
I didn't really like it. I am 5,10 he got me to 202 lbs so we switched it up to more of a lean look now I am at 189 lb but more of a cut up Ghana lots of mass hit me and I will tell you a few things he did

Thats how you do it. Bulk and grow like crazy then cut and keep the lean mass.

[anatram]

Thats how you do it. Bulk and grow like crazy then cut and keep the lean mass.

Exactly,

Eat every thing you can get your hands on, and lift heavy.

When you eat clean try to eat at least 2.5 grams of protein for every pound of body weight. For me that would be 487.5 grams of protein. Fuck sure sounds like a lot huh, not if you split it up into 6 small meals a day.

Pack on the pounds doing heavy compound exercises, deadlifts, squats, bench presses. Don't worry so much about the beach muscles, biceps, or abs. Work your arms doing pull ups.

Compound exercises will help you pack ont he pounds faster than standing infront of the mirror faster than plain ole bicep curls.

[bluewave18]

2.5 grams/pound is nearly impossible

[anatram]

2.5 grams/pound is nearly impossible

It is hard, but definately do able. I was drinking isopure zero carb at every meal, it has 50 grams of protein per serving.

Looking at an old food log I have the following for an entry,

breakfast was a bowl of regular oatmeal, an Isopure shake, @ 55 grams of protein total

snack time @ 9:00, a shake, and 4 hard boiled eggs, no yokes, @ 75 grams of protein.

Lunch, lean steak or chicken, brocolli, water. @ 50 Grams of protein dependent on meat selection and cut

Snack time, @ 2:00, can of starkist, light tune packed in water, with a protein shake, 62 grams of protein.

Dinner time basically same as lunch, @ 50 grams of protein

Night time snack, Cottage cheese with chocolate whey protein mixed in, @ 65 grams of protein.

Preworkout shake, @ 30 grams of protein.

Afterworkout shake with 1 cup of cottage cheese blended in and 1/2 cup of oatmeal. @ 70 grams of protein, tastes like shit though.

This puts me around 425-450 grams of protein a day.

It's hard as hell but if you pay attention to what you eat and when you eat it can be done. I packed on a fair amount of weight before I got sick.

I got up to 205, only being 5'4" and having a 30 inch waist, but that has all gone to shit.

Just bought a shit load of bumbells and a rack, getting ready to start hit it again, but fuck i am still sore from carting all they shit into the weight room at home.

I got single dumbells at the house that weigh from 10-80 pounds in sets. Farmer carrying those fuckers Saturday from where I picked them up, and when I put them in my weight room has kicked my ass something major.

[bluewave18]

Your body can't uptake 75g in one sitting. From everything I have read I shoot for 40g. per meal.

[ddgtomahawk]

I love expensive pee.

[po-po 5.0]

I love expensive pee.

you probably have a miniature giraffe too, eh?

[bluewave18]

you probably have a miniature giraffe too, eh?

I want one.

[ddgtomahawk]

you probably have a miniature giraffe too, eh?

Nope just don't jump for the fad supplements.

[Mr.P]

Doesn't heavier mean slower...on a bike? You should be thinking more about how healthy you are and stay away from the bullshit. Just eat more of the right stuff.

[anatram]

Doesn't heavier mean slower...on a bike? You should be thinking more about how healthy you are and stay away from the bullshit. Just eat more of the right stuff.

Get out of here with that nonsense, I'm only 5'4', my center of gravity is pretty low.:thumb: