Illegals granted Social Security

[Swift E]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...4132-2456r.htm

The Senate voted yesterday to allow illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits based on past illegal employment -- even if the job was obtained through forged or stolen documents.

"There was a felony they were committing, and now they can't be prosecuted. That sounds like amnesty to me," said Sen. John Ensign, the Nevada Republican who offered the amendment yesterday to strip out those provisions of the immigration reform bill. "It just boggles the mind how people could be against this amendment."

The Ensign amendment was defeated on a 50-49 vote.

"We all know that millions of undocumented immigrants pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for years and sometimes decades while they work to contribute to our economy," said Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican.

"The Ensign amendment would undermine the work of these people by
preventing lawfully present immigrant workers from claiming Social Security benefits that they earned before they were authorized to work in our community," he said. "If this amendment were enacted, the nest egg that these immigrants have worked hard for would be taken from them and their families."

Mr. Ensign was among 44 Republicans and five Democrats who voted to block such payouts.

"It makes no sense to reward millions of illegal immigrants for criminal behavior while our Social Security system is already in crisis," said Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican. "Why in the world would we endorse this criminal activity with federal benefits? The Senate missed a big opportunity to improve this bill, and I doubt American seniors will be pleased with the result."

Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont Democrat, said it would be unfair to deny illegals the benefits.

"We should not steal their funds or empty their Social Security accounts," he said. "That is not fair. It does not reward their hard work or their financial contributions. It violates the trust that underlies the Social Security Trust Fund."

Within hours, the vote had become an issue in this fall's elections, raised by a Republican challenger to Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Michigan Democrat.

"Instead of protecting the retirement security of Americans who are earning an honest living and abiding by the laws of our country, Debbie Stabenow sided with people who are here illegally and abuse our Social Security system," Oakland County, Mich., Sheriff Michael Bouchard said in a press release.

"Allowing illegal immigrants to use their illegal work history as credit towards receiving Social Security benefits shows that Debbie Stabenow has forgotten who she is supposed to be working for in the U.S. Senate."

The Senate also yesterday approved an amendment to adopt English as the nation's official language, while reversing course from the day before on protections for U.S. workers who will face new competition from unskilled immigrant labor under the Senate bill. In addition, senators voted last night to kill an amendment that would have specified that the guest-worker program will not provide visas that would provide a path to citizenship.

On Wednesday, senators narrowly approved an amendment to require a foreign worker to have a job lined up in the United States before applying for a green card. The purpose, supporters say, is to ensure that the job market isn't flooded with foreign workers. Also, it prevents foreign workers from coming to the United States only to wind up unemployed and dependent on public assistance.

But yesterday, the Senate essentially gutted that amendment by allowing foreign workers to apply for permanent residency without having a job lined up.

"What that means is that up to 200,000 unskilled workers a year would become eligible for a green card, regardless of economic conditions, regardless of whether that worker has been actually employed for four years, and most importantly, regardless of whether there are unemployed U.S. workers available to fill those jobs," said Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican.

Wow. Just Wow. I can't believe they voted for this. Let's **** over everyone else who is here legally and has worked to pay into their Social Security even more. I need to see a record of who voted in this so I know who not to give support to

[RRCBR]

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[fuknrobert]

yay, now i bring all my peoples over


leo, los, RALLY UP!

[fuknrobert]

maybe buck beasley will let me borrow that big ass trailer....

[jrock]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...4132-2456r.htm

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Wow. Just Wow. I can't believe they voted for this. Let's **** over everyone else who is here legally and has worked to pay into their Social Security even more. I need to see a record of who voted in this so I know who not to give support to
+1:icon_thum I would like that record of who voted it in to see how many of those ****ers will be out of a job come election time.

[ScooterTrash]

I freaking hate my government!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RRCBR]

I love your government...........

[ScooterTrash]

how can a person get in trouble for anything anymore? I mean, lets say I robbed a store, we all know its Illegal to do so, but my gosh, the word illegal means nothing anymore, so even though I knew my actions were illegal, I thought the fuzzy interpretation of it would blend over to other parts of our society and their actions. I think someone should do something illegal and get an attorney and fight based on that. Um, your honor,we didnt know the word illegal was a valid word with basis anymore and therefore we feel it is ok to do such things based upon what we are shown with our society today.


I hate my government

[ScooterTrash]

I love your government........... probably because you and someone you know are sucking off the governments teet just like a bunch of folks in our society do. crap, we give so much, I can see why we are getting flooded with illegals. I would run like hell to get here too if I could.

when you and yours destroy this countries financial strength and support system, where ya gonna swim to next?
Canada is a short walk to the north and you won't have to get wet.

[DpWrath]

yay my dad isnt goin back hes been here for about 30 years he has everything but i thought they would send him back i ****in hate when peopl talk shit about illegals because...my dad owns 2 companys and my uncle owns 1 and 1/2 of 1..my aunt has a returant that peopl eat at think about that yall white peopl who like mexican food who works there? who runs it? yea think about if white peopl were to work there how would the food taste???yea there would be no mexican food to eat no constrution no painting yall white peopl would turn brown if yall worked those jobs

[RRCBR]

yea think about if white peopl were to work there how would the food taste???

That statement is not all accurate. Because every chinese restaurant I have gone to there are mexicans cooking the food and the food doesn't taste mexican it taste chinese......

But I do see your point.

[DpWrath]

lol really?chinessie??i never went to a place and saw a mexican its gay because i cant understand if there talkin shit about me eating alot or what **** tell me where you go so i know if there talkin shit aobut me

[ScooterTrash]

lol really?chinessie??i never went to a place and saw a mexican its gay because i cant understand if there talkin shit about me eating alot or what **** tell me where you go so i know if there talkin shit aobut me
no need to go anywhere, we will talk shit about you here:nod:

[RRCBR]

You don't see them because they are in the kitchen. The have oriental staff in the restaurant but mexicans in the kitchen

[RRCBR]

no need to go anywhere, we will talk shit about you here:nod:


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[DpWrath]

you will here but not in person.

[ScooterTrash]

you will here but not in person.
ohh, your gonna smack me or something:keke: trust me wee one, you dont wanna go there:angry7:

computer asshats by the tons:gesture:

[Swift E]

OMG...

It's not about skin color or race.
It's a simple fact of Legal / Illegal
And the crumbling of our government.

this country is going to hell in a pinata

[Moody]

I love this country!

[ScooterTrash]

OMG...

It's not about skin color or race.
It's a simple fact of Legal / Illegal
And the crumbling of our government.

this country is going to hell in a pinata
yes indeed, there are many different colors and types of illegals, its just the mexican ones in the limelight right now, but the problem is a prevalent one with many nationalities being guilty.
and you are correct again, our society as we know it is in dire straits and we are seeing the crumble happen daily

[ScooterTrash]

I love this country!
I do too, but I hate the government that is allowing and participating in its destruction.
I feel sorry for my children and grandchildren for the world they will have will be entirely different.

[fuknrobert]

scoot: get used to it, take some spanish classes, and buy a sombrero. thx.

[ScooterTrash]

scoot: get used to it, take some spanish classes, and buy a sombrero. thx.
serious truth in the above

[Moody]

The Canadians are invading this country so quick... what will we ever do?

[ScooterTrash]

The Canadians are invading this country so quick... what will we ever do?
dammit! nows we gotta watch two borders:eek3: ok, I give, I guess I needs to learn a french/spanglish mix of speak.

oui, oui senoir

[hoveringpilot]

Send them to Africa so they cant swim back. Or create a nice little ghetto for them on the south side with giant walls and only let them out when they have to work... or cook me some food. They would be so happy with that. Put a strip club, a fiesta, a flea market and a couple fat nasty white girls in there for them and they would never complain. Just a thought....

[ScooterTrash]

Send them to Africa so they cant swim back. Or create a nice little ghetto for them on the south side with giant walls and only let them out when they have to work... or cook me some food. They would be so happy with that. Put a strip club, a fiesta, a flea market and a couple fat nasty white girls in there for them and they would never complain. Just a thought....
trust me on this, they will create their own ghetto:nod:

[Moody]

Send all the cute ladies to my house. =P

[Los]

yay, now i bring all my peoples over


leo, los, RALLY UP!
Word!! El Coyote

[Rick H.I.C.]

:angry7: shame shame shame. Hope S.S. runs out, then what will the dipshtuffs do? Try turning U.S. into a communist state and decide where all your money comes from and who it goes to. Senate : aka retards

[joecamel]

This is bullshit, if they can break the law then why the **** am i gettin tickets and have these ****in cops watchin my house all the time. I'm ****in gettin tired of this government.

[Maverick]

well...i see we have alot of racists here........
anyhow....
look @ it this way: a true illigal can not get a SS#. even a fake number 2 collect under will not totaly work when the SS pays off.

this will probably benifit(sp) most of you all here. (assumin u pay yer taxes and collect SS)
let us take an example:

Paco is now being givin SS benifits.......
he is not legal. he was not born in the US. his SS is fake....

u can only be givin a SS# with proof of birth in the US OR the long way if u moved here 2 the US.
now Paco works under this fake SS for 10 years....money is takin from his checks .........

many things can happen : paco dies. the money is put in the system once again......
2. paco goes back 2 mexico......never collects......money is back in the system.
3. paco actin under a fake SS ...... will not be able 2 collect benifits when the time comes.......
[[[ the system is set up for failure in the end. let the illigals get SS .... thats fine...they are payin money back 2 the Gov that a large portion will not be able 2 collect in the end. and NO, if he dies-or moves back he can't transfer the money 2 some1 else.]]]

[Rick H.I.C.]

Thinking you like the race card too easy. Most American citizens are wondering when the government is going to pull it's heads out of their as... and stop giving the country away at every turn.

[MadseasoN]

well...i see we have alot of racists here........
Paco is now being givin SS benifits.......

Are you confessing?

[Maverick]

dude......every 5 threads i read i see racist comments.
and yea...im a ****in racist.....i hate half of my background....(don't try and say im pullin the race card - i clearly see that this thread has no mention of other illigals from other backgrounds. every1 is focused on the mexicans that will collect)

RICK- the gov is tryin 2 play fair by passin SS around. although i doubt that in 20 years even 10% of illigals will be able 2 collect the SS they have paid.

[Rick H.I.C.]

I thought the canofnadians where mentioned here somewhere.

[MadseasoN]

dude......every 5 threads i read i see racist comments.
and yea...im a ****in racist.....i hate half of my background....(don't try and say im pullin the race card - i clearly see that this thread has no mention of other illigals from other backgrounds. every1 is focused on the mexicans that will collect)

RICK- the gov is tryin 2 play fair by passin SS around. although i doubt that in 20 years even 10% of illigals will be able 2 collect the SS they have paid.

Well, at least you admit it. But eventually that hate is gonna eat you up from the inside out.

Social Security was designed to take care of people that are too old to work. Anyone who has illegally used someone else's SS number and paid money to the goverment knows ahead of time that they'll never see a dime of it. Hell, I'm paying 12.5% out of each paycheck and I know I won't see a dime of it.

BTW - The government doesn't just "pass" money around. It takes 10 of us paying $10 out of each check so that 1 person can receive $100. If they start "passing" more money around, those 10 people will be paying $20 so that 2 people can receive $100 each. These numbers aren't 100% accurate, but you get the analogy.

[scrapp]

**** this shit. This country is such a waste. How long did we last? just a few hundred years? Im moving to canada/england/australia.

[MadseasoN]

**** this shit. This country is such a waste. How long did we last? just a few hundred years? Im moving to canada/england/australia.

I wouldn't give it up for anything.

[paniro187]

well...i see we have alot of racists here........
stfu it'sd not about race dipshit. people that don't understand the dynamics of what's going on always pull the race card. you say alot of rascists in here i say alot of jesse jacksons in here. :gesture:

[hotcknstrips]

yay, now i bring all my peoples over


leo, los, RALLY UP!

name date and place. lol

[ScooterTrash]

dude......every 5 threads i read i see racist comments.
and yea...im a ****in racist.....i hate half of my background....(don't try and say im pullin the race card - i clearly see that this thread has no mention of other illigals from other backgrounds. every1 is focused on the mexicans that will collect)

RICK- the gov is tryin 2 play fair by passin SS around. although i doubt that in 20 years even 10% of illigals will be able 2 collect the SS they have paid.
not true, I did indeed mention illegals of various races

[Maverick]

stfu it'sd not about race dipshit. people that don't understand the dynamics of what's going on always pull the race card. you say alot of rascists in here i say alot of jesse jacksons in here. :gesture:
wow. yer debate and higher thinking skills seem 2 be as sharp as yer XMen knowledge....

[Maverick]

Well, at least you admit it. But eventually that hate is gonna eat you up from the inside out.

BTW - The government doesn't just "pass" money around. It takes 10 of us paying $10 out of each check so that 1 person can receive $100. If they start "passing" more money around, those 10 people will be paying $20 so that 2 people can receive $100 each. These numbers aren't 100% accurate, but you get the analogy.
guess u didn't get the sarcasm(sp) there.....im half/half


and yes it does pass and pool the money. the SS money that is paid by illigals and never claimed is poured back into the 'ss bank' in which is passed out in benifits......

[Maverick]

not true, I did indeed mention illegals of various races
yer post seem prety harsh on our friends south of the border.
not like it is uncommon comin from you however.
[QUOTE=ScooterTrash]I was pumpin' some diesel and a car with an illegal rolls up to the pump opposite meQUOTE]
yer views are your own....but i think on a public message board u should curb yerself.

[ScooterTrash]

yer post seem prety harsh on our friends south of the border.
not like it is uncommon comin from you however.
[QUOTE=ScooterTrash]I was pumpin' some diesel and a car with an illegal rolls up to the pump opposite meQUOTE]
yer views are your own....but i think on a public message board u should curb yerself.
curb this goofball, as you said, its a public forum, dont like what I write, simply bypass and don't read . Its simple really:gesture:

[paniro187]

wow. yer debate and higher thinking skills seem 2 be as sharp as yer XMen knowledge....my comic book knowledge goes way deeper than you would ever care to know. i posted nothing inaccurate comic wise. yet you're spouting off at the mouth about something you don't understand. or better yet something you don't want to understand.

[MadseasoN]

guess u didn't get the sarcasm(sp) there.....im half/half


and yes it does pass and pool the money. the SS money that is paid by illigals and never claimed is poured back into the 'ss bank' in which is passed out in benifits......

No, tone and sarcasm don't come through in writing.

Actually the Social Security Administration does factor in the money paid by illegal immigrants. So you're partly right about that.

Don't get me wrong I'm not against people I am against Government programs - like Social Security. It's a BS program. I don't need the Government to help me save for retirement.

[ScooterTrash]

No, tone and sarcasm don't come through in writing.

Actually the Social Security Administration does factor in the money paid by illegal immigrants. So you're partly right about that.

Don't get me wrong I'm not against people I am against Government programs - like Social Security. It's a BS program. I don't need the Government to help me save for retirement.
THANK YOU! I sure wish they understood this fact

[MadseasoN]

THANK YOU! I sure wish they understood this fact

I think they understand it. They want to make sure they stay in power though and money = power.

[dbonezny]

Um, illegal's pay taxes just like everyone else.

[paniro187]

Um, illegal's pay taxes just like everyone else.another dumb ****:eh: by the way when they don't have insurance and go to the docter who foots the bill. you should see how many jam the emergency room when my child is sick and has to go to the er. shame i have to sit there and wait with people that don't have insurance. :gesture:

[Eltejano719]

who else is going to make your freeways and cut your lawns!?!?!!

[MadseasoN]

who else is going to make your freeways and cut your lawns!?!?!!

I finally got around to cutting my lawn today. :icon_bigg

[paniro187]

who else is going to make your freeways and cut your lawns!?!?!!ummm american people.

[law750]

Your uncle huh, his business eh? That's why you're mad that ppl talk shit. WELL GUESS WHAT BUDDY . . . . my uncle f***ing died in viet nam; my grandfather has a silver star from wwII, my great uncle was a POW after the battle of the bulge; my cousin is fighting right now. Don't tell me about mexican food. . . i could give a shit. I cant believe that you spit on the blood that was spilled to make this country what it is. IT IS A SOVEREIGN NATION. the freedom that ppl enjoy that enables them to make businesses like your aunt and uncle's has been paid for in blood and is maintained through the RULE OF LAW. Illegal immigrants have no respect for any of it. If your father/uncle/mother/aunt etc had just become citizens LEGALLY. . . me and you have no problem. . . as it stands though, they are criminals . .. they may be noble in many many ways, but they have taken advantage of so many who laid down their lives and built their lives around this country and its flag. So help me if I see another mexican flag in this country being waved in protest of the greatest nation ever. We allow more ppl into this country LEGALLY than all other nations on earth combined! That doesnt even count illegals. Mexicans are far from victims here. I'm sorry if this "shit talking" has hurt your feelings, but you have no idea the passion . . .generations of passion, and to the death willingness to defend this country and principles of a nobility you may never know . .. that you are up against. apologies are welcome and will be accepted

[Vail's04R6]

one time at this gas station... i was getting gas for my bike and this mexican dude started to talk to me and i was like um yeah thats cool.. cause i didnt know what he was talkin about... and he showed me this girls gone wild dvd in spanish...:keke:

[dbonezny]

Do any of you know what some illegals go through to get out of their country or origin? Do some of you not take into mind, that illegals risk their lives to flee the countries they're in. Do you think they do that just to milk it? Do any of you know the horseshit of an immigration process mexicans go through to try and come here?..........

Just asking.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

Do any of you know what some illegals go through to get out of their country or origin? Do some of you not take into mind, that illegals risk their lives to flee the countries they're in. Do you think they do that just to milk it? Do any of you know the horseshit of an immigration process mexicans go through to try and come here?..........

Just asking.

...and what about all the other foreigners that have to wait 'years upon years' just to be considered legal. Not to mention the bOOlshyt that they go through (tests most americans wouldn't pass). Gimmie a break...everybody has hell getting here. But we shouldn't overlook the fact that there are millions of people that want to 'get in'...If we allowed everyone in that was leaving "a bad situation" then we would be hosting a large percentage of the worlds population, wonder what effect that would have on the US economy? I say do it the right way, get in line behind everyone else....the demagoguery here is ridiculous. Discuss based on facts, objectively...

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

good places to start...
http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/shared/statistics/data/index.htm
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/immigration.html
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/foreign.html

you'll see here the massive amount of folks we both allow into the country and those who come forcefully...

I've got a question...does n e one here think Illegal Immigrants should be allowed to vote ? I've got a bad feeling I'll be getting a few affirmatives...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20040923-104542-8488r.htm

[houseofpaint]

...and what about all the other foreigners that have to wait 'years upon years' just to be considered legal. Not to mention the bOOlshyt that they go through (tests most americans wouldn't pass). Gimmie a break...everybody has hell getting here....

well said. get in line and do it legally. gettin here the hard way only leads to appreciating how and why you are here in the first place.

[law750]

Yes, I am aware of how hard many illegals have to work to get here: SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THOSE WHO COME HERE LEGALLY!!!! There are plenty of people who come here from Mex. legally, and it is an insult most of all to them - incredibly unjust - to cut in line and do it illegally. Further, it is illegal. And by the way, it's not that hard to come here legally: FACT: U.S.A allows more LEGAL immigration than all other countries in the world COMBINED. I'm so sick of the U.S. and its citizens being framed as ungenerous, or bullies in the world -- completely the opposite.

[Steven]

Do any of you know what some illegals go through to get out of their country or origin? Do some of you not take into mind, that illegals risk their lives to flee the countries they're in. Do you think they do that just to milk it? Do any of you know the horseshit of an immigration process mexicans go through to try and come here?..........

Just asking.

It cost me over $5K and countless visits to the INS (over 2 hours away) to get a Resident packet for my wife who is German. After all my paperwork was approved, we both had fly back to the U.S. just to get a stamp for her Resident card. When we moved back to the states, 2 years later we had to go back to INS for an interview where they determined if our marriage is actually legit and then after paying more money she got her 10 year green card. I'm a white American born and raised and was serving in the Air Force while that process was going on. What gives them the right to bypass that system? I agree that it's a pain in the ass, but nothing worthwhile comes easy. Most of the Mexicans that come over don't even learn english. My wife has not only learned the language fluently, she earned an associates degree, a bachelor's degree, and is now a 1st grade teacher after earning a teaching certificate.

[MadseasoN]

yay my dad isnt goin back hes been here for about 30 years he has everything but i thought they would send him back i ****in hate when peopl talk shit about illegals because...my dad owns 2 companys and my uncle owns 1 and 1/2 of 1..my aunt has a returant that peopl eat at think about that yall white peopl who like mexican food who works there? who runs it? yea think about if white peopl were to work there how would the food taste???yea there would be no mexican food to eat no constrution no painting yall white peopl would turn brown if yall worked those jobs

Mexican people running a Mexican food restaurant. Imagine that.


Cut the racism bro, this ain't the place for it.

[paniro187]

+1

dp i'm a slow learner too maaybe if you go here. this is a cartoon showing what's going on but in a reverse sense i guess they are hoping to get illegals to understand what they are doing is wrong.

http://media.americancomedynetwork.com/FILES/MexTourism.swf

[paniro187]

It cost me over $5K and countless visits to the INS (over 2 hours away) to get a Resident packet for my wife who is German. After all my paperwork was approved, we both had fly back to the U.S. just to get a stamp for her Resident card. When we moved back to the states, 2 years later we had to go back to INS for an interview where they determined if our marriage is actually legit and then after paying more money she got her 10 year green card. I'm a white American born and raised and was serving in the Air Force while that process was going on. What gives them the right to bypass that system? I agree that it's a pain in the ass, but nothing worthwhile comes easy. Most of the Mexicans that come over don't even learn english. My wife has not only learned the language fluently, she earned an associates degree, a bachelor's degree, and is now a 1st grade teacher after earning a teaching certificate.though it was a hassle thanks for doing it the right way.

[CaJuNsOuLjA]

though it was a hassle thanks for doing it the right way.

+1

[Steven]

I'm just gonna be pissed if they are handed citizenship for free because I guarantee the government won't give me my money back. Plus our economy will die when the low-wage under the table workers are required be paid at least minimum wage. When they loose their jobs, they'll be eligible for unemployment and welfare. It really is a freaking mess!