Speeding Ticket Question

[Los]

To the lawyers and LEO's of MH, I come to y'all with questions. I recently got a somewhat BS ticket a couple of weeks ago. I was driving east on the Katy Freeway and missed my exit. I proceeded to make a U-Turn under the freeway and did accelerate nicely getting back on going west.

While doing so, my passenger said I passed a cop that was about 100 feet after the U-turn parked in the grass. As I started getting back onto the freeway via the ramp, I see the cop turn his lights on and pull out onto the feeder and enter the ramp. At that point, I turned on my flashers and took the next available exit while slowing down. I didn't want to risk anyone getting hurt on the freeway since it was 1:40AM on a Saturday.

Anywho, I put my hands out the window when I parked for the cop to feel safe. He ended up writing a ticket for going 80 in a 45. I knew that was wrong because I was in an Expedition, and I was barely getting speed to get on the freeway. Whats even worse, he said that he paced me on the ticket. No way did he do that parked in the grass. I know it's pointless to contest any of that on the street with him. I do have a passenger witness, but I'm sure that won't matter.

So.. my question, what constitutes as a mistake on a ticket? The cop wrote down the wrong color of the SUV. It's a tan color and he wrote silver. He also made a mistake on the time, crossed it out, and wrote it again underneath.

I do want to get a lawyer to help me fight this or at least allow me to take defensive driving since I know I can't obtain that on my own due to the speed Im charged with. Who would be better? Someone like Sprecher or the Monks bro's I saw in another thread? The cop was cool actually besides what he charged me with, but had a nice attitude. It was a black guy name T. Wade.

Anyone have any useful advice? How much does a lawyer cost in these type of situations? I dont want to go with those Sullo and Sullo people. My friend did once and they did nothing he could have done on his own.

Thanks MH! :hs:

[brisingr23]

call david sprecher and get that bioch dismissed. 100 bucks.

[Los]

Is that his going rate?

[Los]

I just noticed the cop is sending me to a court way out there!
Anyone know a lawyer they may deal with this area?

North Command
455 W Montgomery Rd
Houston, TX 77088

Place is in the ghetto

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[Pyrofallout]

call david sprecher and get that bioch dismissed. 100 bucks.

Bullshit, as far as I'm concerned he is $200 wasted.

Fwiw OP pace, means he maintened a steady distance from you while observing his speedometer. Sounds implausible if he had to haul ass from stopped to get you. But I also got a pace ticket that wasn't really pace. The officer stated "I had to drive 110 to catch up to you". So he wrote the ticket for 110 in a 45, which was bullshit. Cause I was doing 95 :keke:

[Los]

What happened in that case Pyro? I know for a fact plus my passenger saw that when he turned his lights on entering the feeder from the grass, he turned his lights on, at which I started slowing down so he could catch up to me. No way did he pace me, but he may have reached 80 so he could catch me. Im in a freakin expo.. these things barely hit 90. LOL

[Pyrofallout]

Not a damn thing. Honestly your ****ed either way. It's your word vs his. I took deferred, cost me $350. :sad7:

also, don't be a dick to a cop, I did it once, it cost me in court today. :keke:

[Los]

Never once have I been a dick to a cop until after I was arrested. Actually I was a dick to the people who processed me. haha either way that's irrelevant. I would be more than happy to $500 for deferred or defensive. I just dont need this shiat on my record. That shiny sports car is fading away if my insurance is going to sky rocket. :(

[Pyrofallout]

We are in the same boat man. I'm looking to get a G8 GXP by Christmas, which is when my record will be 100% clean, pending anything between now and then. I got pulled over exiting BW8 and got slapped with 70 in a 50 from LIDAR off the officers side mirror in a parking lot. I had bad day at work and was pissed so I smarted off something about finding actual threats as opposed to looking for easy tickets from people exiting the freeway. Well he wrote on my ticket "attitude" and now I have to go before a jury in May to fight the ticket.

[sbfuller]

go look at www.radardetector.net there are a few posts over there that i thin are stickys about what to do in fighting a case. you only have a limited amount of time to file for discovery and if they don't do that the ticket gets dismissed when you point that out in court... you can ask for a trial by jury and you probably wouldn't have a hard time convincing a jury that it was impossible for him to pace you... go look at that site. it's blocked for me at work or i'd link a thread for you

[Los]

Has anyone else used Sprecher and was the outcome good? I'm really thinking I might just go this route.

[Pyrofallout]

Has anyone else used Sprecher and was the outcome good? I'm really thinking I might just go this route.

I had my second case with them yesterday. The first one court was in Jan and they told me I had to take DD. Gee thanks, I really needed a lawyer to do that.

The second one he claimed he was gonna be able to get it dismissed, then came back and said no we have to take it to trial. I go to trial with it in May.

As it stands at the moment, if he doesn't get me off that ticket in May, I won't ever go back to him.

I hired him cause so many people claim oh he is fantastic, oh he has got me off every single ticket, blah blah blah. I sure as hell haven't seen any results for my money yet.

In fact, I have never met or spoken to Sprecher himself. Both times it has been his sidekick.

[BigComfy]

I've used him a few times with good results.

[Los]

I had my second case with them yesterday. The first one court was in Jan and they told me I had to take DD. Gee thanks, I really needed a lawyer to do that.

The second one he claimed he was gonna be able to get it dismissed, then came back and said no we have to take it to trial. I go to trial with it in May.

As it stands at the moment, if he doesn't get me off that ticket in May, I won't ever go back to him.

I hired him cause so many people claim oh he is fantastic, oh he has got me off every single ticket, blah blah blah. I sure as hell haven't seen any results for my money yet.

In fact, I have never met or spoken to Sprecher himself. Both times it has been his sidekick.

That's what I heard on this forum as well. People praise his services and he is the best traffic attorney. In all honesty, I would not use him if I could just take DD myself. But with the amount of speed I was over the posted limit, it looks like I will need somebody to help out. Just searching google, I've seen many people say that he was a waste of money.

EDIT: Pyro, the first time you went with him, what was your ticket for? XX in a XX speed zone?

[Pyrofallout]

That's what I heard on this forum as well. People praise his services and he is the best traffic attorney. In all honesty, I would not use him if I could just take DD myself. But with the amount of speed I was over the posted limit, it looks like I will need somebody to help out. Just searching google, I've seen many people say that he was a waste of money.

EDIT: Pyro, the first time you went with him, what was your ticket for? XX in a XX speed zone?

1st: 70/60 (freeway)
2nd: 70/50 (service road)
Both HPD

[urbanXJ]

for COH I use Rutherford, and you can't convince me to try anyone else.

[GIXXERKELLY]

for COH I use Rutherford, and you can't convince me to try anyone else.


+1

He has gotten me and my old man out of bunches of tickets:thumb:

[GSXR_911]

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but we are talking about trying not to be convicted of a law that was broken on a technicality. So if the lawyer can't find the loop hole cause said officer did everything correct....then technically speaking you have to pay your dues.
Trust me I try my best NOT to have to write tickets, but damn 45 in a school zone with kids present, no insurance, and expired tags is a hard one to say "Hey, slow it down next time buddy." And yet I still have to sit through traffic court just cause the guy "heard" somewhere "if the cop don't show, ticket dismissed" Well news flash, most agencies have a policy that if you get called to court you have to go or have discipline involved. And who wants to go to court all day when we can be sitting in our car on MH.com???? (not that I know anyone who does that) Getting out of a ticket isnt a guarantee, try taking Defensive Driving from a plea bargain, or Deferred.

[Los]

Not to piss on anyone's parade, but we are talking about trying not to be convicted of a law that was broken on a technicality. So if the lawyer can't find the loop hole cause said officer did everything correct....then technically speaking you have to pay your dues.
Trust me I try my best NOT to have to write tickets, but damn 45 in a school zone with kids present, no insurance, and expired tags is a hard one to say "Hey, slow it down next time buddy." And yet I still have to sit through traffic court just cause the guy "heard" somewhere "if the cop don't show, ticket dismissed" Well news flash, most agencies have a policy that if you get called to court you have to go or have discipline involved. And who wants to go to court all day when we can be sitting in our car on MH.com???? (not that I know anyone who does that) Getting out of a ticket isnt a guarantee, try taking Defensive Driving from a plea bargain, or Deferred.

I totally agree with this post. Out of all the many speeding tickets I've received since I've been driving, I've accepted the punishment given. This is the first ticket where I know that I wasn't speeding. Hell, I would have taken excessive acceleration, coming out of the U-turn, but even then I didn't go past 4 RPM's. To say he paced me at 80MPH up a on-ramp is absurd when he was parked in the grass as I passed him.

[Navajib]

I just noticed the cop is sending me to a court way out there!
Anyone know a lawyer they may deal with this area?

North Command
455 W Montgomery Rd
Houston, TX 77088

Place is in the ghetto


That's where I went to court about 2 months ago. Compared to the one off 59 & Chimney Rock, this courthouse is a better facility even though located in teh ghetto. It was basically empty. I chose deferred and paid $200 on the spot, no lawyer. I have until beginning of March without a ticket. I used theticketattorney.com last two times for a car wreck and speeding/ez tag shit, and I had everything dismissed. I think it was $75 or $100 / violation Every story is different.

[Los]

Every story is indeed different. Tomorrow I will first call the court and see if there is anything they can do over the phone without me coming in. The fact that the ticket is 80 in a 45 leads me to believe that phone convo won't work. I will then start sourcing my other options. More than likely, I'm going with a lawyer.

[Pyrofallout]

That's where I went to court about 2 months ago. Compared to the one off 59 & Chimney Rock, this courthouse is a better facility even though located in teh ghetto. It was basically empty. I chose deferred and paid $200 on the spot, no lawyer. I have until beginning of March without a ticket. I used theticketattorney.com last two times for a car wreck and speeding/ez tag shit, and I had everything dismissed. I think it was $75 or $100 / violation Every story is different.

Eustler ****ed me over before too. First speeding ticket. Left me high and dry on my court date. Expensive as **** too! Needless to say I got all my money back.

Charged me $300 to defend a 110/45(pace). I ended up talking to DA and going deferred on my court date cause he didn't show up.

[trdvet]

Those mistakes won't matter much, just something your lawyer can bring up in trial if it makes it that far. With the yellow lights on the freeway and the cop lights on the car it washes the true color of the vehicle out.

[Los]

Those mistakes won't matter much, just something your lawyer can bring up in trial if it makes it that far. With the yellow lights on the freeway and the cop lights on the car it washes the true color of the vehicle out.

Thanks TRD... I know the mistakes were a looooong shot. I'm just looking at how I'm going to setup for this case now.

[JBIRD5363]

Service records on the vehicle make all the diff in the world on a pace ticket
tire tread depth correct tire size when the last time the speedo was calibrated has the car been wrecked or major servicebeen done since past calibration so on and so fourth

[Navajib]

Eustler ****ed me over before too. First speeding ticket. Left me high and dry on my court date. Expensive as **** too! Needless to say I got all my money back.

Charged me $300 to defend a 110/45(pace). I ended up talking to DA and going deferred on my court date cause he didn't show up.

:eek3::eek3::eek3:
I had some chick the first one who fckn sucked and I was the last one out but it was dismissed. The second time I had a guy who got me out quick and a dismissed. As exampled, every story is different!
My old roommate knew Sprecher in HS and his shit was always dismissed with Sprecher there himself (from what he told me), and my roomy fairly went to court often too.

[Pyrogenic]

If you are trying to get off on some technicality, unless it's blatant, is probably obvious that your trying to cover up guilt... but a jury trial to go over the situation could be a good way, you get analysis and judgement, and might create reasonable doubt that this was a good ticket. Of course, if you were speeding (only you know), it might be easier to just take the DD if you can.... a good lawyer is probably a good idea.... I don't know this Sprecher guy.

Ford Expedition top speed is about 100 - so you could have a believable case there....

[yeraboof]

I've fought a few speeding tickets... but I'm lazy and never actually prepared for the case. My point is, if you take it to court and don't win, you can usually still do DD or deferred. In your case, what's the distance from the U-turn to the on ramp? It seems improbable that an Explorer can accelerate that quickly.

[MudBug]

Go in and plead not guilty and take it infront of the judge. A lot of those get tosse out due to the cop not showing or the ticket being wrong. After you plea call and reset the court date at least once.

[train460]

I have heard that if you decide to go to court. to then go, you will most likely be found guilty, then apeal that. Heard that it goes into a differant court system and can be dismissed due to the more higher priorities in that said court.
any lawyer thoughts?
the one time i went to court on speeding, found guilty and the total fine was less than the initial ticket fine.

[Los]

Just an update, I went to court today and requested trial by jury. eeek!

[sbfuller]

I've fought a few speeding tickets... but I'm lazy and never actually prepared for the case. My point is, if you take it to court and don't win, you can usually still do DD or deferred. In your case, what's the distance from the U-turn to the on ramp? It seems improbable that an Explorer can accelerate that quickly.

i was just thinking about that. 1/4 mile time of an 07 expedition was 16.3 seconds at 88 mph, and that would be petal on the floor. how far is the u turn from where he was sitting, could it be physically impossible to reach that speed in that given distance?

http://autos.aol.com/cars-compare?cur_page=details&v1=USC00FOS301A0&v2=USB90FOS301A0&v3=USB80FOS301A0&v4=USB70FOS301A0&v5=USB60FOS301A0

[Los]

Well, I am going to go back to the scene and take as many photos as I can of the uturn, the distance to the on ramp and where the cop was sitting when I passed him. I need to accurately measure the distance from the U-turn. I wonder if there is an app for my pre that can do this. Also, I have a 01 Expedition and I bet the time would be a bit slower than an 07.

[trdvet]

Know anyone who plays golf? They might have a range finder.

[Los]

Know anyone who plays golf? They might have a range finder.

I know a few people that play here and there, but I'm sure they're not serious enough to use a range finder.

Although, I have a question for you. Can a cop use the speed it took to catch up to me without ever pacing me as grounds for a "pace" ticket?

[bunxx]

Bullshit, as far as I'm concerned he is $200 wasted.

Fwiw OP pace, means he maintened a steady distance from you while observing his speedometer. Sounds implausible if he had to haul ass from stopped to get you. But I also got a pace ticket that wasn't really pace. The officer stated "I had to drive 110 to catch up to you". So he wrote the ticket for 110 in a 45, which was bullshit. Cause I was doing 95 :keke:

damn what kinda trouble did that get you in lol

[spring r1]

Has anyone else used Sprecher and was the outcome good? I'm really thinking I might just go this route.

i've had 4 tickets and all we're dissmissed i have no complaints:thumb:

[wackjum]

Just FYI, I try and take care of people from Motohouston regarding any legal issues. So if you post a question in my subforum or PM me, I usually get back to you within a day.

[Los]

Just FYI, I try and take care of people from Motohouston regarding any legal issues. So if you post a question in my subforum or PM me, I usually get back to you within a day.

In that case... want to represent me? :hs:

[wackjum]

I could. Would prefer that you send me a PM or post a thread in my subforum just so I can keep track of everything that is going on. Sometimes I need to reference a conversation so I look in those places.

I'm not a traffic attorney by trade, but I will do them for Motohouston folks and their referrals.

I've been a prosecutor and did some time in traffic court rotation. I've gone against many of the traffic attorneys in Houston. Some are good attorneys, some aren't. I don't charge people just to tell them to take defensive driving.

[wackjum]

Sorry I should have clarified.

Please post your story in my subforum in a new thread, or if there are details you don't want public, you can PM them to me. This is so I can find it easily when necessary.

If you want to call me, my number is 713-528-1005.

[morvegil]

The section of the statutes you are looking for is attached (Insurance Code § 1953.051). This section has a reference to Title 7, Subchapter C of the Texas Transportation Code, which you can view online at http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Index.aspx.

Insurance cannot be raised for speeding tickets.

[Los]

Wackjum, PM sent.

[trdvet]

Although, I have a question for you. Can a cop use the speed it took to catch up to me without ever pacing me as grounds for a "pace" ticket?

If he was using a speed to catch up to you then it wouldn't be pacing. He can use whatever means to get your speed; sight, radar, pacing. Doesn't mean the jury is going to buy what he's selling. Your lawyer will or should bring all this up. Traffic court is "regular joe" friendly.

[craigntx]

call david sprecher and get that bioch dismissed. 100 bucks.

IF he shows.
no showed on me but kept my funds:banghead:

[Los]

Fresnal... sent ya an email. Let me know when we can meet up.

[Badzx14r]

your screwed . :rofl::rofl::rofl: