Crossed Up

[cdill35]

Might be a repost. But I have seen alot of people riding "crossed up". Some of them in level 4 / advanced and have more than 20 track days. Here is a little video that you may or may not have seen.

Typically when you get to level 4 or any schools advanced level, you wont get any more instruction unless you ask for it. That's why it is important to get teh fundamentals down before trying to go fast and move up. Too many people move up...too fast then ride all jacked up because they never took the time to get it "more right". Usually when I see people "crossed up" or "swiveling" on the tank they can't get their COG low enough.. try to go faster and find themselves on their heads. Or they stay in the back.

So here is a video from one of the faster guys in Texas.

My "moto related" contribution to MH today. :thumb:

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[cdill35]

And this isnt a RS promotion. So dont move it...no matter who reports the post. :rofl:

And there is my "drama" related contribution to MH today. :thumb:

[Silent636]

Nice post thanks....Ty knows his shit.

[Pachuco]

good stuff

[SW@T]

great post brandt :thumb:

[texlurch]

For beginners, don't even try to slide your butt off. Just bend the inside elbow, stick the knee out, and your hips will naturally open in to the turn. Work on that and getting your head down and over the inside mirror, and as you get faster and need to hang off a little more, the body will be in the right spot out of habit.

[cj_sandman]

thanks B, good post.

[Silent636]

For beginners, don't even try to slide your butt off. Just bend the inside elbow, stick the knee out, and your hips will naturally open in to the turn. Work on that and getting your head down and over the inside mirror, and as you get faster and need to hang off a little more, the body will be in the right spot out of habit.

+10000000 to this...i remember the first time i tried this i was all butt and no body lol looked sooo ghay. this is also very true b/c if you dont have the speed and are throwing your whole body over the bike you'll feel it get wobbly in the turn b/c theres not enough force to counter your body weight.

[cdill35]

For beginners, don't even try to slide your butt off. Just bend the inside elbow, stick the knee out, and your hips will naturally open in to the turn. Work on that and getting your head down and over the inside mirror, and as you get faster and need to hang off a little more, the body will be in the right spot out of habit.

Good point Jim. I was taught 1/2 an ass. Now after working with Ty some...I am having to unlearn that and get more ass back ON the seat.

I have a big ass tho. :rofl:

[texlurch]

It's that whole "first track day gotta get the knee down so I am cool" thing

Then once you realize that just maybe there are better ways to do things you figure it out.. :)

Brandt.. keep the big butt on the seat and get the big head and shoulders over and down.. drag elbows!

Plus you can use the outside knee on the tank for those tiny little body english inputs...

[Pre-K]

All I saw was a funny 'lil Asian guy...

[Princess]

Being crossed up is my biggest problem, and will be my main focus next TD.

[dbuck]

I have always had a problem with this. Not sure if it's from riding on the dirt or just comfort.

[S.D.W.]

It's that whole "first track day gotta get the knee down so I am cool" thing
Then once you realize that just maybe there are better ways to do things you figure it out.. :)

Brandt.. keep the big butt on the seat and get the big head and shoulders over and down.. drag elbows!

Plus you can use the outside knee on the tank for those tiny little body english inputs...

That lasted several trackdays for me! thought it was cool to try and drag knee everywhere.. now I try not to drag it.

[cdill35]

Glad people are seeing this thread...even though they moved it to a sponsors section. :rofl:

Its a body position thread for crying out loud.:shrug:

[Badchev]

Personally, I think too much is made of hanging off the bike. One of the mags did an piece on this a year or so ago, and at the GP/WSBK level there are some big differences in riding position.

There are certainly right and wrong positions, but no absolute one perfect position. Suspension, tires, bike setup, riding style all play a big role.

I've done my share of trackdays, never raced, and the only time I've had my knee down was checking air preasure.......and crashing.:-/

[cdill35]

Personally, I think too much is made of hanging off the bike. One of the mags did an piece on this a year or so ago, and at the GP/WSBK level there are some big differences in riding position.

There are certainly right and wrong positions, but no absolute one perfect position. Suspension, tires, bike setup, riding style all play a big role.

I've done my share of trackdays, never raced, and the only time I've had my knee down was checking air preasure.......and crashing.:-/

I agree. There are fundamentals and then variances of those. But...I dont think anyone will deny that having your upper body and head up and over the center of the bike, is not fundamentally sound.

[Badchev]

But...I dont think anyone will deny that having your upper body and head up and over the center of the bike, is not fundamentally sound.

Agreed, but there ARE those that are more comfortable that way and still manage to race at the top levels.

[cdill35]

Agreed, but there ARE those that are more comfortable that way and still manage to race at the top levels.

Meh..a few exceptions to the rule. Ill conceed that much. A few.

[cdill35]

Ill pass on that bait! :rofl:

[Badchev]

Ill pass on that bait! :rofl:

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