bush..............

[paniro187]

has a round table discussion on immigration and doesn't invite any repulicans like john cornyn or the gov from arizona. he only invited harry reid obama and other dems. :gesture: wtf:gesture:

[paniro187]

Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent
Wed Apr 26, 9:22 PM ET



President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Several officials familiar with the meeting also said Democrats protested radio commercials that blamed them for Republican-written legislation that passed the House and would make illegal immigrants vulnerable to felony charges.

Bush said he was unfamiliar with the ads, which were financed by the Republican National Committee, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

At another point, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other members of his party pressed the president about their concern that any Senate-passed bill would be made unpalatable in final talks with the House.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past. Bush did not directly respond to the remark, officials said.

The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.

Bush convened the session to give momentum to the drive for election-year immigration legislation, a contentious issue that has triggered large street demonstrations and produced divisions in both political parties. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.

"Yes, he thinks people should be given a path to citizenship," said Sen. Mel Martinez., R-Fla., a leading supporter of immigration legislation in the Senate.

Martinez said it was implicit in Bush's remarks that many of the immigrants illegally in the U.S. would be permitted to remain during a lengthy wait and application period.

Under the Senate bill, immigrants in the U.S. longer than five years could apply for citizenship without leaving the country. Those in the U.S. for more than two years but fewer than five would be required to go to a border point of entry, but they could return quickly as legal temporary workers.

Several senators said Bush had spoken in favorable terms about the overall bill, but made it clear he will not issue an endorsement.

"I understand that he wants to maintain latitude as he heads into negotiations with the House," said Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz. He attended the meeting and is a strong proponent of legislation that would allow most of the 11 million illegal immigrants eventually to apply for citizenship.

But Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said that raised the question of "how much leverage he (Bush) has over House Republicans at this stage on a volatile issue that is rattling up his (political) base."

Asked about the meeting, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said the president repeated to the senators what he has said in public. "The agreement that was reached by the bipartisan group of senators is a vehicle to get comprehensive reform moving ahead" and into compromise talks, McClellan said.

The president has spoken repeatedly in favor of legislation that includes stronger border protection and a guest worker program, but has been vague on specifics.

On Monday, Bush said "massive deportation isn't going to work," and that the Senate "had an interesting approach by saying that if you'd been here for five years or less, you're treated one way, and five years or more, you're treated another."

Bush did not mention that measure would allow millions of illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S. while waiting for citizenship — a provision sharply criticized by some conservative lawmakers.

The House approved border security legislation last year that does not address the fate of illegal immigrants. Several Republican conservatives have criticized the Senate bill, saying it was little more than amnesty for lawbreakers.

Several officials said Bush sidestepped one issue during the meeting: the legal status of immigrants who have broken no law except by remaining in the United States.

Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt., pushed Bush on the issue, noting that Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., has said the White House wanted the House-passed bill to make illegal immigrants subject to misdemeanor prosecution.

[paniro187]

he says mass deportation isn't going to work?? amazing that the right thing to do isn't even attempted. :BangHead:

[RACER X]

yeah, that realty sucks.

[TxVrod]

WTF, is right!

I like the idea of making it a felony to be an illegal alien - with the idea that the ones which are sought after first are those who get caught committing other crimes. That will take care of a whole helluva lot of them - THEN go after the rest. I find it very interesting that Fox is a proponent of the above but not when it come to U.S. policy. :eh:

[Moody]

He sucks!

[Rick H.I.C.]

:BangHead:

[BoostJunkie]

you break the law; you are punished... if it goes for americans it should go for immigrants.... I think mass deportation is the first and easiest step to take.. they need to be more strick at the borders and companies that hire immigrants should be heavily fined!

[RACER X]

you break the law; you are punished... if it goes for americans it should go for immigrants.... I think mass deportation is the first and easiest step to take.. they need to be more strick at the borders and companies that hire immigrants should be heavily fined!
i doubt it's gonna be easiest..........:eh:

[TxVrod]

No, it's not gonna be easy at all but, like paniro said, they're not going to know how hard it is until they try.... SOMETHING!

[Rick H.I.C.]

you break the law; you are punished... if it goes for americans it should go for immigrants.... I think mass deportation is the first and easiest step to take.. they need to be more strick at the borders and companies that hire immigrants should be heavily fined!:icon_thum

[paniro187]

yeah, that realty sucks.
yeah we figure we can free 50 million muslims right :gesture:

[AliceInChains02]

bush is stabbing his own party in the back:keke:

[paniro187]

bush is stabbing his own party in the back:keke:
and people like racer x don't see it :BangHead:

[hotcknstrips]

WHERE'S MY POPCORN!!

[RACER X]

and people like racer x don't see it :BangHead:
you really think we could kick out all the illegals?

[paniro187]

you really think we could kick out all the illegals?of course not but hell we could get a lot of them. i guess for example if someone saw more than few roaches in your house then instead of bombing the place you say well it won't get them all so why bother killing any. :gesture:

In La county alone 100,000 illegals using 276 million in welfare. i GURANTEE with as many illegals we have in this country (they say 50 million) we could get rid of at least 10 million illegals. 29 percent of then are in jail so we can get them out too.

just know i'm not saying all will be gathered up but if they gather alot of them up fine employers hiring them take away welfare from being used by them then believe me they would more than likely end up going back home.

I have this strange feeling that if this amnesty is granted that once these illegals get a real check with taxes and etc. taken out of their checks they might end up feeling like they are getting the shaft as far as pay goes.

[RACER X]

so getting ride of 20% is sufficient? so then we'd still have 80% illegals not paying taxes. and i couldn't imagine the cost to export 10 millions people....so more $ burden on the gov.

or we could start legalizing your 20% and gaina huge base, that were basically paying for already. let alone legalizing more of them and making tax $ of them. and they start paying for their stay here vs the current system.

[hotcknstrips]

You hit the nail in the head, Ed. why isn't so hard to understand that option?? it seems it will be beneficial for the country...but hey, if you actually HATe illegals, all you want to do is get rid of them who cares how.

I think this's been draggin for too long, these topics, I meanbecause it seems no matter how hard someone tries to explain something , some people just won't budge, like they were born beign right all the time, that's not how democracy works.

[paniro187]

so getting ride of 20% is sufficient? so then we'd still have 80% illegals not paying taxes. and i couldn't imagine the cost to export 10 millions people....so more $ burden on the gov.

or we could start legalizing your 20% and gaina huge base, that were basically paying for already. let alone legalizing more of them and making tax $ of them. and they start paying for their stay here vs the current system.why not blow some more money i mean since we're spending billions on a war we're not winning(not losing either just being stagnant.) why not spend another couple billion exporting illegals. when you start working in a field that could be threatened by cheap ass labor then you'll start seeing things antoehr way.

[Rick H.I.C.]

why not blow some more money i mean since we're spending billions on a war we're not winning(not losing either just being stagnant.) why not spend another couple billion exporting illegals. when you start working in a field that could be threatened by cheap ass labor then you'll start seeing things antoehr way.
Wars are too political now days, not like your X-BOX expectations. Look at Korean and "policing action" Viet Nam. Racer X, bad side of the coin is that they become legal in an already overwhelmed system that raises or taxes to help morre people become lazy. Sure they're working hard now, but put them in the system and their happier than they were in their own country. Look at the no personal responsibility losers sucking the system dry now.

[paniro187]

ports go to dubai and gives over the weapons plants to them to. then last week dubai gives hamas 50 millions dollars. yaaaaaay bush :angry7: