Illegal Immigration THE FACTS

[ScooterTrash]

Long read but this shows what a burden the illegal mexicans are...


Immigration facts
Texans for immigration reform


Population

There are 32.5 million immigrants in the United States. The Number of illegal aliens in the United States grew from 3.5 million in 1990 to 8.5 million in 2000 to an estimated 10 to 13 million in 2003 (Wall Street Journal)

Illegal immigrants account for between 35 and 50% in the growth of the foreign born population of 32.5 million persons in the US (Wall Street Journal).

Some 200,000 children are born in the United States each year to illegal-alien mothers, according to U.S. Census data. (Numbers USA)

Over 1.2 million illegal aliens live in Texas (1.5 million as of June 2005 - FAIR); this is 1/3 of the foreign born population. There has been an increase of 500,000 or 71% since 1996 and an increase of 843,000 or 236% since 1992. (Migration Policy Institute)

Until the 1970s, 200,000 immigrants were allowed into the United States each year. Now we allow 1,000,000 legal immigrants and approximately 600,000 illegal aliens to enter each year. (Center for Immigration Studies, CIS)

The number of impoverished people of the world increases 80,000,000 a year. Thus, 1,000,000 immigrants entering the United States each year does nothing to help the world poverty situation. In the 19805 25% of immigration was from Mexico, yet 4,600,000,000 people in the world are more impoverished than the average Mexican (NumbersUSA)

Mexican immigrants live in communities where 15 percent of the residents were also born in Mexico. Non-Mexican immigrants live in communities where fewer than 3 percent of the residents are from their native land. Mexicans amount to a much higher proportion of the immigrant population than does and other group - 29%. An immigrant from Mexico who moves to Eas Los Angeles can survive knowing only Spanish and interacting primarily with people from his or her own community. (2000 Census reported by the Hoover Institute, November 10, 2004)

Medical Care

In the Harris County Hospital District, according to the Multiple Database Report of December 2003:

In fiscal year 2002, over 11 thousand illegal immigrant inpatients requiring nearly 40 thousand days of hospitalization and over 250 thousand illegal immigrant outpatients received treatment with total unreimbursed charges (e.g., those not paid for by the patient or covered by insurance) charges exceeding $97 million.

In fiscal year 2003, nearly 12 thousand illegal immigrant inpatients requiring over 40 thousand days of hospitalization and over 305 thousand illegal immigrant outpatients received treatment with total unreimbursed charges (e.g., those not paid for by the patient or covered by insurance) charges exceeding $116 million, a 20% increase over 2002.

Illegal aliens represent 23% of the patients in the Harris County Hospital District. (Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform, FAIR)
In Texas, taxpayer-funded medical outlays for health care provided to the state's illegal alien populaiton amount to about $520 million per year (FAIR June 2005).

Education
Taxpayers are spending $7.4 billion a year to educate the 1.1 million school aged illegal immigrants residing in the United States in 2000. (Census Bureau and U.S. Dept of Ed.)

1.3 million illegal alien children were enrolled in grades K-12 in 2002; 65,000 graduate from high school each year, and 13,000 are enrolled in college. (Wall Street Journal, April 29, 2004 citing the Urban Institute Immigration Law Center).

In Texas:

$ 4 billion a year is spent educating illegal immigrant children in grades K-12 (FAIR, June 2005)
Illegal immigrant children represent nearly 12% of the K-12 school population.
Teachers often receive up to $3,500 more a year to teach in Bilingual classes than teachers who teach in regular English classes.
Immigration accounts for 100% of the increase in public school enrollment over the last 20 years in the US. (Center for Immigration Studies, US Census Bureau, various immigration reform groups).

Texas faces an enrollment increase of 414,000 additional students by 2007 (U.S. Dept of Ed.) and will need to build two more schools a week to keep up with enrollment increases. Currently Dallas and Houston have the most crowded classrooms in Texas. (Associated Press, 7-30-02 ).

Eighty percent of non-Mexican immigrants are fluent in English. Among Mexicans, the number is 49%. (2000 Census reported by the Hoover Institute, November 10, 2004)

The typical non-Mexican immigrant has a high school diploma. The typical Mexican immigrant has less than an eight-grade education, and has about two and a half fewer years of schooling than do other Hispanic immigrants. (2000 Census reported by the Hoover Institute, November 10, 2004)

Social Services

Illegal immigrants use more in services than they pay in taxes, particularly to state and local governments. This results from their relatively low level of tax payments due to being disproportionately employed in low skill jobs, while at the same time disproportionately consuming government services such as Medicaid, food stamps, welfare payments, schooling and health care services. (National Academy of Sciences and US Census)

Immigrants are 50% more likely to get welfare benefits than natives and 75% more likely to get food stamps. In addition to welfare programs, immigrant households use the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) at almost double the rate of natives. (CIS)

As of 2000, 400,000 foreigners were collecting SSI benefits from the Social Security Administration without having to work one day in America. (CIS).

Costs

Illegal immigration costs Texas nearly $4.7 billion per year, or $725 per native-headed household (FAIR June 2005).

Immigrants use more in services than they pay in taxes. The net deficit (after the immigrants’ contribution in taxes is counted) was $80 billion a year in 1996, but if we do not change our immigration policies, it will be $108 billion by 2006. (Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform, FAIR)

Incarceration of 14,800 illegal aliens in El Paso County in 2000 cost $13 million (FAIR US).

In Texas, the uncompensated cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Texas' state and county prisons amounts to at least $150 million per year (Fair June 2005).

Texas border counties spent over $23 million for the incarceration and medical care of illegal aliens that commit crimes or are hurt during their illegal entry attempts in 1999 (FAIR US).

In 2002, the net loss to U.S. natives from immigration was $68 billion, which represents a $14 billion increase since 1998 as the size of the immigrant population has continued to increase. The negative effect comes from increases in the supply of labor, and not the legal (or illegal) status of immigrants. Immigrants themselves benefit substantially by coming to America, as do those who remain behind in their home countries.

Each year state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants. Illegal aliens use one or more welfare programs, such as Temporary Assistance to Needy families (TANF), Supplementary Security Income (SSI) and Medicaid. (FAIR)

Crime:

25% of all criminal felons in federal prisons are illegal aliens

80% of the drugs entering the United States are brought in by illegal aliens

60% of the members of criminal gangs in the Unite States are illegal aliens (CIS )

National Security and Border Patrol
Of the 19 terrorists on 9/11, 15 were here on tourist visas, 1 was here on a business visa, and 3 were here illegally on expired or overstayed visas. Fifteen were from Saudi Arabia. At that time the State Department was allowing Saudi Arabia to grant "travel visas" to their citizens, bypassing the normal visa process. (Invasion by Michelle Malkin )

During the first two weeks in June 2003, the Border Patrol apprehended 19,000 illegal aliens crossing over the Tohono O'odham's reservation near Tucson, Arizona, costing Arizona’s tax payers $7 million in cleanup and repairs. (Houston Chronicle 6-29-03)

Mexico is issuing Matricula Consular Cards as an ID for Mexican citizens in the US. They are only needed by illegal aliens and are given without verifiable documents or security checks, yet many city governments, including the Houston City Council, voted to accept these cards as verifiable IDs. They allow Mexicans to get social services, driver's licenses in 13 states, to enter federal buildings and as identification to board commercial planes. (FAIR)

Employment
Many question the existence of a labor shortage in the United States that needs to be filled by illegal aliens. General unemployment is 6.4%, but among Hispanics, it is 8.4%, a six year high. (Census Bureau)

It is estimated that 890,000 workers are here on H-1B visas with the most being issued to people from India. (Schlafly Report). About 212,000 American computer and mathematical professionals were unemployed as of March 2003. (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

All non-Mexican (workng) immigrants have an average wage income of $21,000 per year. Mexican immigrants have an average wage income of $12,000 a year, which is about 75 percent that of other Hispanic immigrants. (2000 Census reported by the Hoover Institute, November 10, 2004)

Temporary and Guest Worker Programs

The administrations proposal to allow illegalimmigrants to appply for temorary worker staus is oppsoed by 59% of liberals and 66% of conservative - two thirds of small-town and rural voters are opposed. (Wall Street Jouranl, May 20, 2005)

56% of Americans say that President Bush places "too little emphasis" on immigration; 14% say "too much". (Wall Street Jouranl, May 20, 2005):mumum: :mumum: :mumum: :mumum: :mumum:

[hotcknstrips]

Now we need the numbers of the money illegal immigrants pay in taxes that they cannot claim.

[arturo3rd]

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[paniro187]

:smileinbo http://klanstore.com/store/images/Join%20the%20Klan%20Sticker.jpg
where can a brother sign up??? i'm sure i'd be safe at the cross burning meetings.

[knee_dragger]

^^^^^^^^:laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6 yea...klan meetings are alwas safe

[ScooterTrash]

Now we need the numbers of the money illegal immigrants pay in taxes that they cannot claim.
oh yeah, your right, what the hell was I thinking, they ARE helping our economy in some weird twisted way:gesture:

[ScooterTrash]

:smileinbo
where can a brother sign up??? i'm sure i'd be safe at the cross burning meetings.
make lite the situation, one can not deny whats going on in our country.
nobody said the klan was correct, but the U.S. government sure isnt right either:BangHead:

[paniro187]

make lite the situation, one can not deny whats going on in our country.
nobody said the klan was correct, but the U.S. government sure isnt right either:BangHead:i just thought it wa a funny pic. and if you look at my other post i'm about the most against illegal immigration and against amnesty poster on this board. sure it's cheap labor but that's just what's in front of your eyes. what these people that hire them don't see is the hospital visits welfare and other stuff we pay for, for them.

[ScooterTrash]

i just thought it wa a funny pic. and if you look at my other post i'm about the most against illegal immigration and against amnesty poster on this board. sure it's cheap labor but that's just what's in front of your eyes. what these people that hire them don't see is the hospital visits welfare and other stuff we pay for, for them.
i agree, it is a funny assed picture, i saved it for my friend:nod:

[AliceInChains02]

when i read it's by "texans for immigration reform" that kinda makes me think it might be biased :dontknow:

The number of impoverished people of the world increases 80,000,000 a year.

:eek3: in 75 years everyone will be poor.

[ScooterTrash]

when i read it's by "texans for immigration reform" that kinda makes me think it might be biased :dontknow:

The number of impoverished people of the world increases 80,000,000 a year.

:eek3: in 75 years everyone will be poor.
prolly true, especially if our guvment stays on its path, we will be like argentina:eek3:

[paniro187]

acutally i see one fact right off the bat that's wrong that percentage in jail is actually 29 not 26

[hotcknstrips]

oh yeah, your right, what the hell was I thinking, they ARE helping our economy in some weird twisted way

Glad you see my point.:laughing6

Can we just drop this thing? or take it to the Political Asylum board.:icon_bigg

[hotcknstrips]

duh, what an ass. WE ARE in Political Asylum.:gesture:

[ScooterTrash]

duh, what an ass. WE ARE in Political Asylum.:gesture:
:laughing6 :icon_bigg its all good:nod:

[2KBUSA]

thats sad i also came from romania and i am a us citizen now was since 1989 but i paid tax since my 1st job at 16....but this is not fair they dont pay tax and get a free ride and they are raising hell about it....if i was working for the goverment when they have a protest i would check for id and if they dont have papers straight back over the border if they want to raise hell about its not fair........my 2c

[gixr101]

Now we need the numbers of the money illegal immigrants pay in taxes that they cannot claim.
well put !!

[gixr101]

it does'nt matter what opinion people have towords them they might pass the law then lets see what you people doe with out them.you be beggin for them to come back to do the work your lazy ass dont want to do because your to damm good for that kind of work.

[ratmzapa]

oK FIRSt were not going to get rid of any immigrants..there is no way possible that anything like that could ever happen...by a logistics standpoint anyways...there is no right or wrong answer to the immigration question...dont you realize that its all about money and who has control...they think as all of us as just mere nothings in the whole realm of our country...they want us to fight and bicker...there all playing in the same hat and we are being deceived by it...start from 1492 and read till April 2006 and you will be astounded by what you read...Does anyone realize how stupid it is to protest about removing white people...or vice versa...when a minute ago they were preaching about equality...People if your going to post stupid shit at least back it up...Im not directing this towards anyone but realistically we have to band together to make change..

[paniro187]

it does'nt matter what opinion people have towords them they might pass the law then lets see what you people doe with out them.you be beggin for them to come back to do the work your lazy ass dont want to do because your to damm good for that kind of work.
actually if you said that while i was in a room with you i'd slap the piss out of you.

[Ramius]

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[paniro187]

i have done and will do again and know actual citizens that do jobs these illegal ****s are taking or driving wages down on. i've seen people go from making a reasonable wage digging ditches (about 10 bucks an hour) to the same job not making but like 6 or 7 bucks now. it's easy for the illegals to make that kind of money doing jobs i mean think about it if you were on welfare and not paying insurance then it's aok to make money like that because you getting shit free. all this jobs that americans won't do bullshit is the shitiest arguement i've ever heard. I really would like to know who came up with that statement because they need to be deported themselves. I bet some illegal came up with that ****ing statement. I say get every single illegal out let these alleged jobs that americans don't want pay a living wage and if ther'es any left then let a guest worker come do it.

[2KBUSA]

actually if you said that while i was in a room with you i'd slap the piss out of you.
lol yeah....

[paniro187]

lol yeah....
sorry i actually kind of take that shit personally when someone basically says americans are too lazy to do those jobs. thing is most of those jobs are not even offered it's like the illegals have the market cornered.

[ArturoC]

Long read but this shows what a burden the illegal mexicans are...


Immigration facts
Texans for immigration reform
...



Pfft! Why bother with facts and logic now? Just go burn a flag.. :gesture:

[paniro187]

Pfft! Why bother with facts and logic now? Just go burn a flag.. :gesture:
:laughing6

[ArturoC]

i have done and will do again and know actual citizens that do jobs these illegal ****s are taking or driving wages down on. i've seen people go from making a reasonable wage digging ditches (about 10 bucks an hour)

The sad part is it's not just illegal immigration.. In some cases wages are being driven down 'legally'. This is the part that has affected me and the people I know the most.


It is estimated that 890,000 workers are here on H-1B visas with the most being issued to people from India. (Schlafly Report). About 212,000 American computer and mathematical professionals were unemployed as of March 2003. (Bureau of Labor Statistics)

:eh:

[paniro187]

The sad part is it's not just illegal immigration.. In some cases wages are being driven down 'legally'. This is the part that has affected me and the people I know the most.



:eh:yeah i think people like me and others have been duped into thinking it's just the mexicans and i'm apologize for directing anger to mexican illegals. actually i also get pissed when i call tech support and get some indian i can't understand. when that happens i always tell them i need to speak with someone else cause i can't understand them. i think it's all going to boil down to a little patriotism. and people are going to have to demand to keep jobs here even if it means slightly higher prices.

[ArturoC]

i think it's all going to boil down to a little patriotism. and people are going to have to demand to keep jobs here even if it means slightly higher prices.


Yeah, I don't know what the answer is. It seems like it *should* be simple enough. Less illegal immigrants = slighty higher wages = slighty higher prices but more Americans with hard hard-earned money in their pockets to spend.

Yeah.. too simple I know. :BangHead:

[ScooterTrash]

actually if you said that while i was in a room with you i'd slap the piss out of you.
ok Pan, now I like your attitude:laughing6 :laughing6

[ScooterTrash]

Pfft! Why bother with facts and logic now? Just go burn a flag.. :gesture:
ok:nod:

[hotcknstrips]

ugh......it's all about the money, really, have you take a look at Wal Mart lately? most of the stuff they sell is foreign, why? because it's cheaper to produce and sell, and that, is what WE ALL want, have someone else do it for us.

That's why many companies outsource tech support, when someone knowleagable enough here in the states will make 30 an hour, in some other country they'll pay him 3..........sad, isn't?

Yes, I agree, I can't stand calling tech support and having someone who's accent is so thick i can barely understand.

If we think about it, we all contribute to the whole"driving wages down' thing, we want cheap stuff, we don't care where it came from. When was the last time you tought "now I will buy the american version of ............. and be patriotic" and that applies to labor as well.

Another thing, I know everybody is entitled to his/her opinion, but don't let ignorance run the show, immigrants come from many contries, not just Mexico, that's what get's my blood boiling, it sounds like a predisposition to talk bad a bout mexicans.

[1hander]

part of the problem is greedy ass companies that wouldrather set up in like india as you mentioned.....because they can get the same work done over by indian workers for way less........than american workers....they are not even giving americans the option to work at a lower wage...the companies just set up in other countries.......greeeeeeeed

[paniro187]

i say get up there and explain it to the american people you want higher wages??? jobs to stay here?? etc??? then you will have to pay slightly higher prices. that simple. also this whole iraq war thing is kind of stupid in the fact that we're exhausting all this money for this country i think the least we can do is get some cheaper oil (gas prices) we're almost back up to 3.00 bucks. :eh:

[paniro187]

part of the problem is greedy ass companies that wouldrather set up in like india as you mentioned.....because they can get the same work done over by indian workers for way less........than american workers....they are not even giving americans the option to work at a lower wage...the companies just set up in other countries.......greeeeeeeed same as the house building jobs and etc. it's like the illegals have that sewed up.

[Ramius]

ugh......it's all about the money, really, have you take a look at Wal Mart lately? most of the stuff they sell is foreign, why? because it's cheaper to produce and sell, and that, is what WE ALL want, have someone else do it for us.

That's why many companies outsource tech support, when someone knowleagable enough here in the states will make 30 an hour, in some other country they'll pay him 3..........sad, isn't?

Yes, I agree, I can't stand calling tech support and having someone who's accent is so thick i can barely understand.

If we think about it, we all contribute to the whole"driving wages down' thing, we want cheap stuff, we don't care where it came from. When was the last time you tought "now I will buy the american version of ............. and be patriotic" and that applies to labor as well.

Another thing, I know everybody is entitled to his/her opinion, but don't let ignorance run the show, immigrants come from many contries, not just Mexico, that's what get's my blood boiling, it sounds like a predisposition to talk bad a bout mexicans.

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[ratmzapa]

I hope the immigrants dont take my job as a cage dancer...Then I'll be pissed....

[Ramius]

Oh man.... you gotta go watch that video I posted in the "music video" thread..

[paniro187]

I hope the immigrants dont take my job as a cage dancer...Then I'll be pissed....
i took it. your boss said he'll tell you tonight when you get dressed and ready to go on stage.

[ratmzapa]

i took it. your boss said he'll tell you tonight when you get dressed and ready to go on stage.

Damnit...my post actually had a secret meaning to it...but damn you for taking my job...

[ArturoC]

part of the problem is greedy ass companies that wouldrather set up in like india as you mentioned.....because they can get the same work done over by indian workers for way less........than american workers....they are not even giving americans the option to work at a lower wage...the companies just set up in other countries.......greeeeeeeed


One reason might be attitude. Face it, we are ugly Americans. We are rude, ignorant, loud and obnoxious in our own right, but far worse when compared to other countries. If you have ever dealt with people in India, or some contractors working here, the first thing you will notice is just how nice they really are. And when the pressure is building, deadlines looming, who are the most calm, cool and collected.. mhmmm.. they are. When someone fouled up the specs or didn't get something quite right, (Or in some cases you just assume so) it seems to be American nature to 'rip someone a new one' and the Indian guys are worked with are very non-confrontational. It was very nice working with them.. I miss them. :nod:

I don't miss some of my American workers. :keke:

[2KBUSA]

sorry i actually kind of take that shit personally when someone basically says americans are too lazy to do those jobs. thing is most of those jobs are not even offered it's like the illegals have the market cornered.
yeah this is why i dont have a local job everywere i go to find a driving job i am asked if i speak spanish becasue 75% of the coustumers are spanish speakers. and i say no so they tell me they will call me and never do....that suck....since when do i need to learn to speak spanish..hell you go to walmart and all the shit is in spanish...and half the people dont speak english...

[ArturoC]

That's why many companies outsource tech support, when someone knowleagable enough here in the states will make 30 an hour, in some other country they'll pay him 3..........sad, isn't?

Sad for sure.. I have some 'net friends' (yes, Im a geek I know) from all over the world. There is one in the Phillippines that recently took a position at a call center that handles Vonage. The pay would be horrible for us, but is pretty good for them when you consider the cost of living there. Most if not all that are working at this place have college degrees. How can you compete with that? :eh:

It's funny though. They take calls from different countries and by far hate calls from America the most and in particular "... those ****ing rednecks in Texas" :keke: :eek3:

[ArturoC]

If we think about it, we all contribute to the whole"driving wages down' thing, we want cheap stuff, we don't care where it came from. When was the last time you tought "now I will buy the american version of ............. and be patriotic" and that applies to labor as well.



There are a few who try, but I don't think it matters. If I remember correctly a product only has to be 51% Amercian made to have the "MADE IN THE USA" label on it. I could be wrong on that one.. Someone double check me. :happy3:

It's the little things like that that piss me off to no end.. America is so label happy (on products and people) but the labels are rarely ever truly representative.

:BangHead:

[paniro187]

There are a few who try, but I don't think it matters. If I remember correctly a product only has to be 51% Amercian made to have the "MADE IN THE USA" label on it. I could be wrong on that one.. Someone double check me. :happy3:

It's the little things like that that piss me off to no end.. America is so label happy (on products and people) but the labels are rarely ever truly representative.
:BangHead:like when the people on hsn kept calling me liberal :gesture: far from it..........

[ratmzapa]

Kind of like a Harley claiming to be all American...lol yea right...the whole bike is from overseas...what a crock..

[Ramius]

America is so label happy (on products) but the labels are rarely ever truly representative.

:BangHead:

I know what you mean, Theres this company called Yamaha that had a promise about 17.5k revs and something else about great performing bikes... all rubbish :P

[ArturoC]

I know what you mean, Theres this company called Yamaha that had a promise about 17.5k revs and something else about great performing bikes... all rubbish :P


Ahhh.. Don't get me started on American Marketing.. :laughing6 :laughing6



Purple pill!! WTF is it for? Who cares.. just ask your doctor about it. :eh:

[Ramius]

Allowing medical companies to become publicly traded enterprises was the biggest "put it in the butt" that we ever got.

[Ramius]

As soon as that happened, we stopped curing diseases and began treating symptoms.

[ArturoC]

As soon as that happened, we stopped curing diseases and began treating symptoms.

:nod:

No money in cures.. :eh: Or at least they *think* so. :BangHead:

[AliceInChains02]

i think we should invade mexico, clean up their Terrorist government, and legalize marijuana here. that would give mexico a much more profitable cash crop, and a decent government to help it's economic status improve. :eek3:

[ArturoC]

i think we should invade mexico, clean up their Terrorist government, and legalize marijuana here. that would give mexico a much more profitable cash crop, and a decent government to help it's economic status improve. :eek3:


Then they would have one and we wouldn't. :angry7:

[AliceInChains02]

why is that? we could coexist with them. we already have NAFTA in full swing, might as well benefit from it.

[ArturoC]

In the mean time, I am off to Walmart to buy some cheap foreign products. :confused1

[AliceInChains02]

wal mart makes up 10% of China's GDP:eek3:

[Ramius]

Thats why I love that big-box mart video :P

[AliceInChains02]

have you ever seen "Stay"? crazy movie

[hotcknstrips]

i think we should invade mexico, clean up their Terrorist government, and legalize marijuana here. that would give mexico a much more profitable cash crop, and a decent government to help it's economic status improve.

Ok, is this a joke? where did you ge that Mexico has a terrorist goverment? I'm just curious, or maybe just ignorant, I would like to ge the source of that info.

[AliceInChains02]

that was just a joke. you know, like how we invaded iraq to get the terrorists who did 9/11. but the Mexican government is pretty corrupt though, you can't deny that. Not that America's isn't, but we're better than Mexico's.

[hotcknstrips]

well, you're right about that one, i was raised there, so I know.:crying:

there's corruption here to, but here is kinda under the radar, in mexico is like on the surface.

[paniro187]

being that fox isn't doing anything on his side about this illegal immigrant disease infecting america, i'd say he's just as much a t hreat as saddam was.

[AliceInChains02]

i remember hearing on the radio a while back they were handing out pamphlets on how to get across the border or something:laughing6

[AliceInChains02]

i mean, it really is a pretty good deal for mexico to get people over here who then send money back to mexico to be spent and benefit their economy and such.

[hotcknstrips]

Lovely, just lovely :gesture:

[paniro187]

i mean, it really is a pretty good deal for mexico to get people over here who then send money back to mexico to be spent and benefit their economy and such.i could give a jiminy **** about mexicos economy. thing is those jobs should be done by americans and thus contribute to our economy.

[AliceInChains02]

i'm not saying i agree with it, but that's a good deal for them :dontknow: We need to offer them some incentive to fix up their Country. I don't think we are on that bad of terms with Mexico? We've got NAFTA and such. If they don't wanna cooperate, we could cut them off. Seems kinda drastic, but maybe some shit like that would help out a lot of Mexico where people didn't need to hop borders.

[hotcknstrips]

lol....you know, I'm so glad is not up to you how the country is run, that tought gives me the heebie jeebies. lol

Beign self centered doesn't make for a better world, me thinks, the world is like a community. for good or bad, the economies of almost every country is interwined, simbiotically connected in some way, what affect's one, it will affect others.

Of course, that my humble opinion.

[AliceInChains02]

how would you like someone deliberately undermining you every day? an employee or whatever, stealing your shit perhaps? that's what's mexico does. it's a job running the world, everyone has their place and a lot of the countries are stapler stealers.

[hotcknstrips]

Alice, Unfortunately, corruption there will eat up most of the resources that the US might give Mexico to help boost it's economy. That's just the way it is, the rich are getting richer, the poor..well, you get the idea.

[AliceInChains02]

I know, but I think we could at least be pressuring them. Giving them incentives. Trying to work things out. All of those people don't have to be impoverished.

[Rick H.I.C.]

i mean, it really is a pretty good deal for mexico to get people over here who then send money back to mexico to be spent and benefit their economy and such.


Mexico's second largest source of income. Oil number 1. What's a corrupt government going to do? It's going to keep cashing in at our countries expense. Want to do something raise hell with your local wussie official that is only there to placate the the mindless sheep to keep their power.

[Rick H.I.C.]

it does'nt matter what opinion people have towords them they might pass the law then lets see what you people doe with out them.you be beggin for them to come back to do the work your lazy ass dont want to do because your to damm good for that kind of work.

You still here? I thought you were headed for Mexico to clean their government up. Since ours "sucks a**" We're not lazy we just demand a higher standard of living. Not try to under bid at every chance we get and live in sub standard conditions to send money to a different exchange rate. If so many illegals are hard at work why do they sponge off so many gov. programs.

[paniro187]

If so many illegals are hard at work why do they sponge off so many gov. programs.http://www.owned.com/Owned_Pictures/icaughtyouowned.jpg.jpg

[schecterx]

u know as an american.. u cant own property in mexico :-/ ... but they can come have a kid over here and live for free

[jrock]

u know as an american.. u cant own property in mexico :-/ ... but they can come have a kid over here and live for free

duhhhh:keke:

[RACER X]

Sen. McCain, was talking about this yesterday, He said we have 3 choices:
Do Nothing
Export them all
Make them integrate, with a path to citizenship.

He said, we just can't do nothing, and it would be next to impossible to deport them all.

That leaves making them:
Fix the borders (us not them)
Learn English
Pay a fine for coming here illegally
Pay taxes
Work to become citizen (3-6 years).

And the deport any that don't register.

[ownage]

sounds good to me

[paniro187]

sounds good to mewhy??

[ownage]

why doesn't it? it sounds good cause it seems like it would actually work...not some bullshit like "we're gonna deport them all" and it's better then do nothing...

[mad]

i have done and will do again and know actual citizens that do jobs these illegal ****s are taking or driving wages down on. i've seen people go from making a reasonable wage digging ditches (about 10 bucks an hour) to the same job not making but like 6 or 7 bucks now. it's easy for the illegals to make that kind of money doing jobs i mean think about it if you were on welfare and not paying insurance then it's aok to make money like that because you getting shit free. all this jobs that americans won't do bullshit is the shitiest arguement i've ever heard. I really would like to know who came up with that statement because they need to be deported themselves. I bet some illegal came up with that ****ing statement. I say get every single illegal out let these alleged jobs that americans don't want pay a living wage and if ther'es any left then let a guest worker come do it.

they are talking about the jobs that pay less than 5 dollar an hour the kind of jubs that you cant get
im from Mexico and came to the US legally and I know that I didn’t get some jobs because an illegal got it he apply with me the difference was that he got offer 2 dollars under the minimum wage

[scratchmaster_J]

But the screwed part is the piece of crap Mexican president Vicente Fox is trying to fight for the illegals to get rights! If that isnt messed up, i dont know what is. Mexico just needs new leadership that party that they have right now is known by the people to be utter crap. Mexico needs to get its head together in order to keep its people within their country by offering jobs and stopping the discrimination of indigenous people who should be controlling the government not rich elite piece of crap who knows shit about what real Mexicans need to make a living.

[ratmzapa]

Mexico is still a socialist dictatorship in my opinion...thats my opinion..

[scratchmaster_J]

Which is why a revolution is needed to overthrow Mexico's govt, Bush's lapdog.

[ratmzapa]

VIVA ZAPATA!

[mad]

But the screwed part is the piece of crap Mexican president Vicente Fox is trying to fight for the illegals to get rights! If that isnt messed up, i dont know what is. Mexico just needs new leadership that party that they have right now is known by the people to be utter crap. Mexico needs to get its head together in order to keep its people within their country by offering jobs and stopping the discrimination of indigenous people who should be controlling the government not rich elite piece of crap who knows shit about what real Mexicans need to make a living.

well lest start her and see if how long I take to get there

[ratmzapa]

LIBERTAD! LIBERTAD!! LIBERTAD!!!!

[mad]

LIBERTAD! LIBERTAD!! LIBERTAD!!!!

LIBERTAD! LIBERTAD!! LIBERTAD!!!! :notworthy

[ratmzapa]

Remember Scarface lol....damn shit was funny..those guys walking around with 2 by 4s

[mad]

Remember Scarface lol....damn shit was funny..those guys walking around with 2 by 4s

I like my little friend better

[ratmzapa]

lol

[paniro187]

they are talking about the jobs that pay less than 5 dollar an hour the kind of jubs that you cant get
im from Mexico and came to the US legally and I know that I didn’t get some jobs because an illegal got it he apply with me the difference was that he got offer 2 dollars under the minimum wage
if you really think thos e jobs are paying 5 bucks an hours you're pretty damn stupid.

[ArturoC]

if you really think thos e jobs are paying 5 bucks an hours you're pretty damn stupid.

:eek3:

Nicer translation:
"Sir, I feel you are incorrect in your belief that those jobs pay 5 dollars an hour." :happy3:

[hotcknstrips]

[QUOTE]you're pretty damn stupid.[/QUOTE Is there really a need to insult someone when you don't agree with their opinion? What kind of credibility your words carry when you personally, verbally attack another person?